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Jessemon
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 Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:17 pm Post subject: What are the diffs btw Directors Cut version and On-Air? |
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My friend accidentally watched the On-Air versions of Eps 20-24, and although he wants to go back and watch the DC versions at some point, I think I might just tell him the info gained from those extra scenes and have him dive right into EoE, since it could be another week before he gets a chance to re -watch all 5 episodes.
The problem is, I'm not sure exactly what the differences are. I've done a little googling at this point, but I was mostly curious to see if anyone knew of a link/site that had the additional scenes/dialogue handy.
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| Quote: | | The Director's Cut episodes, or New Production Cuts, consist of episodes 21, 22, 23, and 24 with extra scenes that originally appeared in Death. They were originally released on Video and Laserdisc as part of the series release in Japan. In the U.S., the Director's Cuts were released separately on DVD as Resurrection (episodes 21-23) and Genesis Reborn (episode 24, and the Video/Laserdisc versions of 25 and 26). Later, ADV released the Platinum Collection of the entire TV series which contains the Japanese Renewal of Evangelion version of the Director's Cut episodes, the biggest difference being the superimposed images of the Reiquarium were removed. |
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Director%27s_Cut
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Jessemon
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I got that. I was just distracted by other things and thought I would have more success googling the differences rather than using the wiki. Idk, brain fart I guess.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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22 is still unfinished, as well.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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It's interesting how they decided to make so many minor changes in the DC in terms of redrawing and whatnot. In many scenes, the DC version is practically the same and yet it was still redrawn. Was Anno (or whoever was in charge) simply unsatisfied with the original OA work and felt the need to make a bunch of small modifications?
And while we're at it, what exactly is the backstory behind the DC anyway? I think I read it has something to do with Death and Rebirth but I haven't seen that movie so I'm not entirely sure. |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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What a fortuitous accident! If only more people were so lucky... I actually prefer the broadcast version.
Originally Anno and co. planned to just clean up the later rushed episodes before they were released on laser disk and wanted to produce an OAV.
Eventually this grew into a planned 3-part film: a series recap, the original draft for 25 (which was scrapped in production), and a condensed version of the TV instrumentality ending.
Anno being Anno things got changed along the way and the schedule got screwed up, resulting in the decision to include reworked and additional footage from the later episodes in the 1st part of the film and to save the third part for a later release. Eventually the second part was slightly tweaked and re-released along with the third part, completing the film we now know as End of Evangelion.
In subsequent releases new material from 'Death' was removed and instead worked into 21'-24', EoE was broken up and released along with the original ending, split up across the 2 Genesis disks, and the remaining material was reconstituted as Death (true)2. Not until the Platinum edition release were the original broadcast versions of 21-24 available for sale in Japan, though in the US this situation was reversed with the original versions being released in the initial VHS run and the director's cut versions not available until the DVDs.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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 The Eva Monkey wrote: | | Episodes 23 and 24 are currently unavailable. |
I'm a bit busy at the moment, but I plan to work on them and also finish 22 while I upload them to the Commentary in the next few weeks.
@Reichu: do you still have the material you once prepared for 22'? I've read somewhere that you compiled a new list of the cuts using Death as a reference while correcting the mistakes and the missing numbers in the Renewal DVD script. Do I remember correctly? That would be a big help for preparing the scene pages of 22' for the FGC.
| Kendrix wrote: | | Well, lot's of the stuff in the original eps 21 to 24 was crappily drawn(think of the elevator scene - not the long pause, the drawnings themselves.) because they ran out of time, so why not fix it? |
As you say, there are many cases where they evidently improved the quality of the drawings in the DC (say hi to ugly Asuka-chan from the original ep 22!), but I find it interesting that there are a lot more cuts where they simply redrawn the cells trying to be as close as possible to the original (fun example: spot the differences here between Fuyutsuki in 21 and 21'). But why? Did they lose the original cells? Even in that case, why reanimate those specific cuts if most scenes of the DC weren't reanimated at all and just spliced from the original masters?
| NemZ wrote: | | In subsequent releases new material from 'Death' was removed and instead worked into 21'-24', EoE was broken up and released along with the original ending, split up across the 2 Genesis disks, and the remaining material was reconstituted as Death (true)². |
Too bad we don't have a list of the material that was removed in the editing of Death into Death (true)2. Do all the new DC scenes come from the original Death or some of them were created exclusively for the DC? After all, they had a lot of time to make changes (and think about "plot holes", but that's another story  ) once they finished working on EoE. According to the Wiki, the first release of the DC episodes is February 4, 1998, more than 6 months after the premiere of EoE. And we know that at least some scenes were redrawn for Death and then reanimated again for the DC (the first shot of the Reiquarium for example).
| NemZ wrote: | | Not until the Platinum edition release were the original broadcast versions of 21-24 available for sale in Japan, though in the US this situation was reversed with the original versions being released in the initial VHS run and the director's cut versions not available until the DVDs. |
I've read that the original broadcast version of 21-24 was released in Japan on a bouns extra Genesis 0:X Laserdisc, but is hard to find informations about it as it seems extremely rare.
And the "On-Air" version of 21-24 included in Renewal and Platinum is also interesting - while it generally follows the script of the broadcast episodes, it reuses almost all of the redrawn DC footage, with a few quirks (and that's the reason why it doesn't include that picture of little Asuka).
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| NemZ wrote: | | Oh yes, definately there are still more additions that were not in Death. For example, all the additional footage in 23' of unit 00 becoming the angel tower and then a GNR. |
I mean, they're not in the Death (true)² that we all know, but are we sure that they weren't included in the original edition of Death, which probably wasn't released anywhere out of theaters?
Especially for the 24 DC lake conversation between Kaworu and SEELE? Knowing that it was included in Death (and especially where it was included) might provide some useful clues for all those recurrent 24' plot hole discussions. On the other side, knowing that it wasn't included in the original Death would mean that Anno and the rest of the staff had plenty of time to think about the implications of that scene in the context of the episode...
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NemZ
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that's a damn good question. hmm.
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