Blood Staining the Moon (Scrapped Scene)

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Postby Reichu » Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:20 pm

Just found something pretty cool in one of the 2.0 storyboard books (which are part of the CRC, I guess). Don't feel like making scans or shitty photos right now, so a lousy translation will have to do.

This is a cut excised from the end of Misato's flashback montage.

C402I
赤くなっている地球
南極_かる血のりが吹き出している
リング状にも広がっていく
血のり

広がった血のりが
月に付く
しぶきも飛ぶ


The Earth turning red
Blood* spouts from the South Pole
The blood spreads out into a ring

The dissipated blood stains the Moon.
The splash/spray flies up.

*Literally "stage/fake blood", assuming that's what 血のり means here.


Really wish they'd included this, but I guess keeping the audience trolled was more important?

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Postby Shogo-Kun » Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:06 pm

Reichi-kun, your find has just began to debunk the Sequel Theory! And it is delicious...
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Postby NAveryW » Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:12 pm

View Original PostShogo-Kun wrote:Reichi-kun, your find has just began to debunk the Sequel Theory! And it is delicious...
Though it's been dubious from the beginning, unused material can't be considered to affect the canon. Otherwise Unit 01 would be all crumbly and have male genitalia during Near Third Impact.
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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:17 pm

Perhaps Khara cut out that shot because the wanted to go another direction with how they blood reached the moon/flooded the earth? Or they somehow found it, uh, unimportant. >_> ("Trolling" is finding its way far too easily into descriptions nowadays...)

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Postby Reichu » Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:20 pm

View Original PostNAveryW wrote:Though it's been dubious from the beginning, unused material can't be considered to affect the canon. Otherwise Unit 01 would be all crumbly and have male genitalia during Near Third Impact.

Comparing the final storyboard directly to concept design drafts isn't really valid, except in the really general "it didn't make it into the final product" kind of way.

The excised cut is interesting since it flat-out shows something that is hinted at anyway (we already know 2I made the seas red, and Maya compares Sachiel's suicide puddle to 2I, therefore......), albeit blithely ignored by so very many.

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Postby COACH » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:07 pm

I think the current sequel theory says NME's Second Impact = NGE's Third Impact, though. >_>
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Postby EvangelionFan » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:11 pm

View Original PostCOACH wrote:I think the current sequel theory says NME's Second Impact = NGE's Third Impact, though. >_>


:fuyu_facepalm:
It can't be, because of Misato's flashback footage.
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Postby COACH » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:19 pm

Yeah, it doesn't make much sense, but I don't think this evidence is really going to convince anybody. Obviously they'd just say that everybody's had their memories altered or whatever.

But anyway, the reason people think that is because we see a black moon during NME's Second Impact. So more EoE-ish elements in the movie would just convince them even further, I suppose.
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Postby Azathoth » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:20 pm

But it isn't a Black Moon. It isn't even a concrete object.

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Postby EvangelionFan » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:24 pm

View Original PostCOACH wrote:But anyway, the reason people think that is because we see a black moon during NME's Second Impact.


Regardless, Reichu's translation -

View Original PostReichu wrote:The Earth turning red
Blood* spouts from the South Pole
The blood spreads out into a ring

The dissipated blood stains the Moon.
The splash/spray flies up.

*Literally "stage/fake blood", assuming that's what 血のり means here.


- shows that Khara approached the flashback sequence with the intent of explaining 1.xx's EoE references as part of a new continuity, i.e., not a sequel.

Edit: Said scene could have been scrapped for any number of reasons, and in my opinion 2.xx does fine without it.
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Postby COACH » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:26 pm

Looks kinda like the black moon, to me. But still, lol sequel theory.
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Postby Noriko is my wife » Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:52 pm

View Original PostReichu wrote:Just found something pretty cool in one of the 2.0 storyboard books (which are part of the CRC, I guess).

Do these books give a a complete breakdown of who storyboarded the different parts of the film? Or at least a general idea? 2.0 had a very large number of storyboard artists (10 or so) which is very unusual for a film. This collaborative approach seems similar to the Anno/Tsurumaki productions that followed Eva but so far the interviews haven't revealed much about the work process except that Higuchi was surprised at how different his storyboard was from the final result re: Asuka.

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Postby Reichu » Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:40 pm

View Original PostCOACH wrote:Looks kinda like the black moon, to me.

It's a "black hole" (kuroi ana) that appears as a point over the South Pole and visibly gets bigger.

Image

(Compare to this.)

...I really need to add this crap to the Wiki's 2I page already.

@Noriko: The storyboard books don't credit the individual artists.

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Postby COACH » Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:14 pm

Interesting, thanks for the .gif. I guess that sequel theory image that originated on /a/ needs to be corrected. Hell, maybe you should make an anti-sequel theory image with some of this information. :p

Is the term "black hole" from the storyboards? That's great ammo to debunk some of this crap.
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Postby Reichu » Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:19 pm

View Original PostCOACH wrote:Hell, maybe you should make an anti-sequel theory image with some of this information. :p

Given the horrific memetic persistence of those images, it might not be a bad idea...

Is the term "black hole" from the storyboards?

Yep. (Original is 黒い穴)

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Postby Strayn » Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:28 pm

This guarantees me that Rebuild is not a sequel. Thank you.

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Postby COACH » Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:36 pm

View Original PostReichu wrote:Given the horrific memetic persistence of those images, it might not be a bad idea...

Indeed. A lot of that stuff on the current iteration of the image is pretty easy to debunk if the NME-2I = NGE-3I thing in the toilet. (But this is probably a bit off-topic.) (Never mind, there was a split!)


View Original PostReichu wrote:Yep. (Original is 黒い穴)

No relation to a plain ol' ブラックホール, I take it. (That might be a liiiiittle bad for the Earth. :D)
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Postby penguintruth » Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:49 pm

I never really bought into the "sequel" thing, anyway. I've always thought the things pointed to as evidence were simply nods to the TV series, or else intended to be explained at a later time.

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Postby COACH » Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:03 am

The arguments for looked pretty decent back when 1.0 was the only movie out, but it's looking more and more unlikely as time goes on. The only things I still find strange are Kaworu's mysterious lines, but it's been suggested that NME Shinji knew him as a child or something. I bet Anno be trollin'. (Or maybe he has no idea people are interpreting things this way? Does sequel theory even exist in Japanese fandom?)
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Postby penguintruth » Thu Mar 17, 2011 1:31 am

People always accuse Anno of "trolling", but I don't he's ever intentionally done so.

Okay, so maybe a tiny bit in EoE. Just a tiny bit.


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