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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:12 am

It's a bad movie from start to finish. Probably will never think about it again. This will be my one post on it.

Plus, watching the original right before going to see the new one especially highlighted the vapid experience Uprising was.

I'd be curious to see what Guillermo Del Toro's original plan for a sequel was. A sequel after how the original ended would have always felt unnecessary but I think he would've cracked the case and found a way to make it work. He and the original creative did write an outline/possibly even a script. But, then when he left to do The Shape of Water & the new team was brought they apparently changed things drastically. In Del Toro's script I do know that Raleigh & Mako were to stay on as the central protagonists and that there was no Jake* Pentercost**. Mako Mori certainly would not have been reduced to what was essentially a glorified cameo since he was effusive about what a joy it was to create that character with Rinko Kikuchi.

I think only three things were carried over from Del Toro's original drafts:
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1. Del Toro's sequel was to take place in a world rebuilding itself after the Kaiju threat seemed over. Though his movie would have primarily dealt with the concept of what do warriors do when the world no longer needs them and would have made that the central focus. The new movie barely plays lip service to the idea.
2. There would have been a Jaeger-Kaiju hybrid.
3. Charlie Day's Newt would have still been corrupted by the aliens. Though again, I imagine Del Toro would have heavily focused on that storyline since he loves working with Charlie Day.


If Del Toro's original was a movie then this was the expensive (mostly shot in cost saving close ups though) pilot to a Netflix original series.

But, I would like to add Pacific Rim: Uprising to my list of reasons why a Live Action Evangelion is a terrible idea. Even though the actress is in her 20s I felt every scene with the spunky 14 year old girl pilot continually undermined everything BECAUSE she was a spunky 14 year old girl who had no right being in such an important position. Animation allows you to get away with having the world entrust its future to a child pilot and letting them be cool at times. In live action you're just looking at a child thinking "You don't belong here."

*I think the names sums up the difference between the first creative team & the sequels creative team.
Gloriously cartoonish names created for the characters in the first film - Stacker Pentecost. Raleigh Beckett. Mako Mori. Dr. Newton Geiszler. Herman Gottlieb. Colonel Herc Hansen. Hannibal Chau. Tendo Choi.
Bland white bread names created for the characters in the second film - Jake Pentecost. Nate Lambert. Jules. Viktoria. The closest they come to interesting is Amara Namani.

** Jake Pentecost by the way was a VERY LATE addition to the film since the movie was originally greenlit based on a script with Charlie Hunnam & Rinko Kikuchi in the lead roles. Thing is no one had checked his availability when they got the go ahead to begin production and if they waited for him they would have never hit their original release date of April 7, 2017 - which they didn't make anyways - so when they learned John Boyega was a big fan of the first film they just concocted this never-before-mentioned son of Stacker Pentecost to lure in the guy from Star Wars. I also have to imagine this decision to make him the central focus also led to basically writing Mako Mori out of the movie so he would have some of (empty) emotional narrative.

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Postby Sachi » Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:41 pm

I've seen a bunch of negative reactions to Uprising here, so let me be the contrarian. I enjoyed Uprising for what it was. It isn't as good as the original, but I wasn't expecting it to be, and I'm not going to hold that fact that it isn't as good against it. What I did enjoy was the tone and spirit of the film, as it embraces even more of the mecha anime tropes that I enjoyed in the first film, and does even more to make it seem like a live action cartoon. I felt like I was watching an anime, which is what I wanted, but it also felt appropriate for the direction of the Pacific Rim franchise. I especially liked the subplot about attaching thrusters to the Jaegers and how that played out. One of the more worrisome aspects of the film had to do with the child cast, but the lead girl quickly won me over with how convincing she portrayed the character, and I liked that the kids stayed mostly on the sidelines until toward the end of the film. I am with everybody else in being disappointed over the treatment of Mako Mori's character; there was a lot of wasted potential there, however I can see the intent they were going for, and I can be somewhat forgiving about it. I very much enjoyed the direction taken with Newt, and that's honestly what won the film over for me. His actions in this film adds weight and new context for his actions in the first film, and I'm interested in seeing them take it even further in subsequent films if we get them.

So, while I won't pretend that the film is perfect and even close to as good as the original, I still very much appreciate it for what it is, and I am very glad we have both films to enjoy. If I were to rate the original Pacific Rim at a 7.5 or 8/10, Pacific Rim: Uprising gets a 6.5/10 from me.
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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:40 am

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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:29 pm

Netflix is making a Pacific Rim anime.
Makes sense.
Though from the sounds of it Guillermo Del Toro, who directed the original and is making a dozen different projects with Netflix already, is not involved.
That makes less sense.

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Postby Blockio » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:28 am

View Original PostGendo'sPapa wrote:Netflix is making a Pacific Rim anime.
Makes sense.
Though from the sounds of it Guillermo Del Toro, who directed the original and is making a dozen different projects with Netflix already, is not involved.
That makes less sense.

Del Toro already wasn't involved in Uprising, and we know how that one turned out... although I definitely am looking forward to the inevitable new Jaeger designs

Netflix wrote:Pacific Rim, which expands the world of the two live-action movies of the same name, returns to the epic battle of Kaiju and Jaegers. The original anime series follows two siblings — an idealistic teenage boy and his naïve younger sister — who are forced to pilot an abandoned Jaeger across a hostile landscape in a desperate attempt to find their missing parents. Co-showrunners are Craig Kyle (Thor:Ragnarok) and Greg Johnson (X-Men: Evolution). The series comes from Legendary Entertainment (Kong: Skull Island; Pokemon: Detective Pikachu)

This could either turn out great or an complete and utter disaster. Since rogue Jaegers are already confirmed by the text, if they go with scrap-built ones, I sincerely hope they end up looking like Tomahawk Blaze instead of Scrapper
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Postby silvermoonlight » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:30 am

View Original PostBlockio wrote:Del Toro already wasn't involved in Uprising, and we know how that one turned out... although I definitely am looking forward to the inevitable new Jaeger designs


This could either turn out great or an complete and utter disaster. Since rogue Jaegers are already confirmed by the text, if they go with scrap-built ones, I sincerely hope they end up looking like Tomahawk Blaze instead of Scrapper
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https://io9.gizmodo.com/netflix-is-making-pacific-rim-and-altered-carbon-anime-1830299816

I'm voting disaster since Greg Johnson's X men Evolution cartoon series was was nothing to shout about and Craig Kyle was the producer of Ragnarok he didn't direct or write it and I think them not waiting for Del Toro to finish his Pinocchio Netflix project with Jim Henson Company was an utterly stupid move, since Trollhunters with Dreamworks was really successful.

Pacific Rim series from Craig Kyle (Thor: Ragnarok) and Greg Johnson (X-Men: Evolution). It will star a teenage boy and his younger sister, who take control of an abandoned Jaeger as they travel across the country in search of their parents.
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Postby Chuckman » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:56 am

View Original PostBlockio wrote:Tomahawk Blaze


They should code name that one "Ersatz Transformer"
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Postby Blockio » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:12 pm

View Original PostChuckman wrote:They should code name that one "Ersatz Transformer"

Thing is, it's not even a PPDC one. The tiny bit of lore it gets (it's from the mobile game) states that it is a scrap-build unregistered Jaeger. And while we're at it... petition to rename Guardian Bravo to "Optimus Gundam"
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:16 pm

Pacific Rim without Del Toro? I don't need that kind of negativity in my life. Again.

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Postby Chuckman » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:45 pm

View Original PostBlockio wrote:"Optimus Gundam"


There should be a Pacific Rim RPG so I can call my jaeger "Liege Machismo"
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Postby ErgoProxy » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:08 pm

Well, I would call mine "Marshal Brzęczyszczykiewicz" and turn the whole thing into a drink game. :tongue:
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Postby Blockio » Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:16 pm

View Original PostErgoProxy wrote:"Marshal Brzęczyszczykiewicz"

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Postby DarkBluePhoenix » Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:51 pm

Something tells me these new Jager designs are going to be very Evangelion-lite.
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Postby Blockio » Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:38 pm

View Original PostDarkBluePhoenix wrote:Something tells me these new Jager designs are going to be very Evangelion-lite.

I don't know... Uprising Designs were done by the same people who did the originals and those pretty good and unique as well, and since there is no reason for them to have different people design their new Jaegers I can see them still coming up with good new designs. Plus, I don't think the Eva proportions, NGE or NTE would look good on a Jaeger... if anything, I'd say they would be going more in a Gundam-like direction
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