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Postby robersora » Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:32 am

It's definitely fanservice, but we could see it as foreshadowing as well.
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Postby Cybermat47 » Sun Aug 06, 2017 1:01 am

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Postby CommanderFish » Sun Aug 06, 2017 1:19 am

Sachi wrote:It's Misato nonchalantly placing her hand on a bulge over Shinji's lap (rub rub), with a very suggestive view of her legs and breasts also within the shot.

I genuinely thought the phallus was supposed to be her leg and I was very confused.
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Postby Sachi » Sun Aug 06, 2017 1:26 am

On its own, I wouldn't think too much about this one shot. However, since it parallels Ep 23 so well, we can more confidentally establish that innuendos are happening in both instances, and that we're not just perverts seeing what we want to see. Misato's entire entrance is full of sexuality, and this is yet another example. Based on the photo she sends Shinji, we can already gather that sexuality is a part of how she communicates with people. It comes back full circle in Ep 23, when we see Misato attempting to use sex as a means to connect with the withdrawn Shinji. That's when the chair shot occurs. Ep 01 and 23 are bookends to Shinji and Misato's relationship during the original aired series, and it seems like no coincidence to me that these two innuendos occur at the beginning and at the end as well.

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Postby pwhodges » Sun Aug 06, 2017 1:47 am

This seems reasonably convincing to me.

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Postby Reichu » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:09 am

View Original PostSachi wrote:Reichu: You disappoint me.

You're suggesting that a phallus would be positioned around navel level or higher. Obviously, this is something that can work (just ask Naota-kun), but it's very context-dependent. I love subliminal naughtiness as much as the next pervert, but... :ehh: This doesn't really pass the most basic litmus for being convincing, if you ask me.

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Postby Sachi » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:44 am

That seems like an odd nitpick. The general bulge arises from his crotch area. The phallus isn't the phone sticking straight from his naval, but the mound growing from beneath his pants. Ever have a boner in tight pants? More or less what happens.

The rest of the way the shot is framed is clearly sexual (ie, legs, breasts). So I don't feel it's at all a stretch.
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Postby pwhodges » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:54 am

View Original PostReichu wrote:You're suggesting that a phallus would be positioned around navel level or higher.

When you're slouched in a seat and aroused, that's not ridiculous.
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Postby Reichu » Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:07 am

Asked the resident boner-haver (and fellow *Eva* fan); he don't see nothing, either.

View Original PostSachi wrote:The phallus isn't the phone sticking straight from his naval, but the mound growing from beneath his pants.

You mean the console that's clearly extending BEHIND WHERE HIS SEAT IS?

The framing is hardly going out of its way to make this look anything like a boner. Quite the opposite. I get the feeling that you have to be looking for a boner to even consider that this might be one. Misato sitting on chair-crotch this ain't.

The rest of the way the shot is framed is clearly sexual (ie, legs, breasts).

Because the first couple of episodes never, EVER have shots like that unless they also have subliminal Shinji dick. :tongueflap:

View Original Postpwhodges wrote:When you're slouched in a seat and aroused, that's not ridiculous.

He's sitting straight up, if you notice.

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Postby Sachi » Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:21 am

Apply the same criticism to Misato sitting on the chair. The way the "phallic" chair enters Misato seems really off, as though it just slides through her back, instead of penetrating from the bottom where the genitals are.

And yes, it's not blatant by any means. Keep in mind though that this is the first episode, and the lesser of the two innuendos. It works more in retrospect when compared to the Ep 23 chair. It shows that the animators really are playing with this sort of thing, especially through framing alone. It also ties in nicely to Misato's relationship with Shinji.

Maybe calling it phallic is the issue. However, is it not suggestive that Misato is placing her hand on a bulge arising from Shinji's lap, while everything else involving her character introduction has had a sexual undertone? It seems to me if the chair is, then this phone is too.
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Postby Reichu » Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:36 am

I still don't read anything as "rising from Shinji's lap".

Maybe I'll see it eventually -- can't rule anything out -- but right now I think this is stretching, and not even the fun kind. It doesn't accomplish anything. It's hard enough to get people to acknowledge something as blatant as the dick-chair -- a visual element that aligns perfectly with Shinji's groin and has Misato sitting on it right before trying to make a pass at him, and serves as an important visual cue that, yes, that really WAS a pass she was making. So what's supposed to be going on here? What does a shot up Misato's thigh and her hand on a center console that's also apparently a dick tell us about this scene and what's going on with the characters? Why is it here, at this moment? She puts down the phone -- which, according to you, is subliminal shota fondling -- and then immediately starts thinking about...... her car and her clothes. Where's the connection?

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Postby pwhodges » Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:38 am

View Original PostReichu wrote:I get the feeling that you have to be looking for a boner to even consider that this might be one.

There's no need to be so literal - it's a more-or-less subliminal suggestion, is all. If it makes some people think that way (without being consciously aware of it) then presumably it's worked to some extent, and not working on you doesn't invalidate that.
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Postby Sachi » Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:56 am

The first couple episodes are filled with sexual passings between Misato and Shinji. Here's a few: the photo, Misato's joke over the phone to Ritsuko, Misato saying he's "weclome to anything at the apartment, except for her *wink*", Shinji staring at Misato's breasts when she leans over the dinner table, Shinji staring at her bras before bathing, the toothpick scene, etc. It seems like playful fanservice, but it eventually goes serious in later episodes. Our own Wiki even mentions the shot from Ep 01 during the N2 detonation when Misato huddles over Shinji and we get a good shot of her rear. A great deal of the subtext between Misato and Shinji in the first couple episodes is sexual. This is another subtle nod

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Postby silvermoonlight » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:15 am

The one you kind of don't see but Pen, Pen does in the bath house, as that scene is very funny.
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