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Postby Reichu » Thu Feb 03, 2011 12:50 am

Excusing the fact that I'm not supposed to be here, I just noticed that one of our "rivals", evangelion.wikia.com, has the nerve to copy our stuff. I landed here and was quickly going, "Wait a second...". For the sake of my performance in class tomorrow, I probably shouldn't investigate how much they've stolen beyond (outdated versions of) the Angel pages.

This kind of plagiarism might be within the bounds of the creative commons license -- I forget -- but such laziness and bankruptcy of integrity still pisses me off. (At least our site ranks higher on Google...)

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Postby The Eva Monkey » Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:47 am

It's not even plagiarism, it's a flat-out import of all of the content from our site as well as Wikipedia (apparently).

Stuff like this is going to happen. The issue here is that no credit is given as to where the content originated.

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Shinji_Ikari
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Shinji_Ikari

This is one of the issues I have with CC licenses. It makes it easier to just say "NO. THAT IS NOT YOURS. TAKE IT DOWN".

They need to give us credit on every article, or take it down.

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Postby Reichu » Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:55 am

Would you be able to open lines of communication with the site? I shouldn't, for the obvious reasons. -o-;

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Postby The Eva Monkey » Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:13 am

View Original PostReichu wrote:Would you be able to open lines of communication with the site? I shouldn't, for the obvious reasons. -o-;

I think the easier thing to do would be to just create a box which indicates the location of the original article, and indicate us as the author, and then indicate the CC type with link. Then just apply that to every duplicate article. If anyone takes issues with that, then you say "Uh, well...".

I just feel bad for everyone who contributed to that wiki before, because all of the old entries were completely overwritten with our content.

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Postby drinian » Thu Feb 03, 2011 12:43 pm

Well, the good news is that we're both licensed under BY-SA, so this should be fairly straightforward.

Wikia's advice regarding the importing of text says:
If you import text under a compatible license which requires attribution, you must, in a reasonable fashion, credit the author(s).


If you look at, for instance, Asuka's page, Wikipedia is credited at the top, presumably because of an automated import. That's the way it should look for us as well.

I suggest acting in stages:

1) These two admins seem to be responsible for most of the work:
http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Special:ListUsers/sysop

Blackout0189 hasn't really done much in the past few months, and then Dream Focus has been pretty active. He's done a lot of pulls from Wikipedia.

Contact both of them through their talk pages, point out that content was used without attribution, and invite them to contribute to the EvaGeeks wiki instead; the Wikia site would simply be "closed" and point people here. Alternately, add attribution as described in the licensing page.

2) If there's no reasonable response, then contact the Wikia support team. http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contact

3) I personally know one of the Wikipedia administrators as well, although I'm not sure how much connection there is between them and Wikia staff these days.
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Postby TehDonutKing » Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:09 pm

I posted about it on both the Angels and Shinji Ikari talk pages.

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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:21 pm

Wow, so I skimmed through their wiki and pretty much ALL their content is imported from us or wikipedia (They even had the nerve to copy/paste our Theory and Analysis pages and our Maintenance/warning tags!!). They better give credit where credit is due. :irked:

TehDonutKing: Thank you.
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Postby TehDonutKing » Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:22 pm

You're welcome.

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Postby drinian » Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:15 pm

Yeah, if you don't see a response from that, you'll have to move on to the user talk pages. We can see who did the edits.
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Postby soul.assassin » Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:31 pm

There's a big problem about Wikia: someone claimed that Wikia will not accept takedowns (see bottom).
http://webtrends.about.com/od/wikireviews/fr/wikia_review.htm

Does anyone has a legal equivalent of a 12-gauge shotgun?

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Postby drinian » Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:13 pm

Unfortunately, unlike Wikipedia, Wikia is a for-profit organization and so they have more reason to try and keep content on their site, since it earns them revenue. Plus it's ugly.

The "shotgun" in this case would be simply removing all of the content ourselves, or adding a notice to every page that indicates the source of the material. There's bots that can accomplish that quite quickly.

Personally, I'd go with the latter as it would probably help our search engine rankings quite a bit. But we should make an attempt to write to the Evangelion Wikia admins first.
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Postby Reichu » Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:42 am

Any word on this?

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Postby drinian » Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:29 pm

Should I take point on this, then? Since TDK had posted, I haven't taken action.
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Postby Reichu » Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:32 pm

If you have the time, Drew, that would be [s:2w1yq8jf]great[/s:2w1yq8jf] super-awesome.

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Postby drinian » Sat Feb 12, 2011 7:57 pm

I'll report back as conditions warrant, just following the plan that I listed above.
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Postby drinian » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:14 pm

It seems like all of the content was added by the board's first administrator, Blackout0189, who hasn't been as active lately. He hasn't responded to my message.

However, the newer admin, Dream Focus, doesn't seem to have been aware of Evageeks' existence. He's also fairly technically competent -- he's the one who did the Wikipedia imports. I'm not sure what he's planning to do; maybe he'll come over here. Right now he's treating it as Not His Problem. There's several regular users making edits on a daily basis as well.

So, I think the most expedient thing for us to do at this point, unless I hear from Blackout soon, would be to compile a list of copied articles, and then add proper attribution. Unfortunately, I can't think of a better way to do this than brute-forcing the A-Z article lists and templates.

We have twice as many articles as they do. I expect that our good Wiki authors (of whom I am not one) could probably open up every article on their Wiki and pick out their own writing pretty quickly, especially with tabbed browsing these days.

Please help if you can and post your findings. I'll try to put together a list. Once it's reasonably complete, I can go in and make the edits.

So far I have:

http://wiki.evageeks.org/Shinji_Ikari
http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Shinji_Ikari

http://wiki.evageeks.org/Angels
http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Angels
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Postby Twin Drive Sigma Aquarion » Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:55 pm

Looks like you're doing very good, drinian.

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Postby Ornette » Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:24 am

It looks like a lot of these pages that were created were taken from here

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Evangelions
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Evangelions

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Lilin
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Lilin

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/LCL
http://wiki.evageeks.org/LCL

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Episode_01
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Episode_01

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Episode_Infobox
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Template:Episode_Infobox

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Episode_List
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Template:Episode_List

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Template:MontageBox
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Template:MontageBox

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Misato%27s_Car
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Misato%27s_Car

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Imagebox
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Template:Imagebox

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Template:RebuildofEvaMovies
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Template:RebuildofEvaMovies

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Evangelion_1.0:_You_Are_%28Not%29_Alone
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Evangelion_1.0:_You_Are_%28Not%29_Alone

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Rebuild_Infobox
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Template:Rebuild_Infobox

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Hideaki_Anno
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Hideaki_Anno

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Laptop-frame
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Template:Laptop-frame

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Template:EpisodeListHead
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Template:EpisodeListHead

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Template:EpisodeListRow
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Template:EpisodeListRow

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Template:EpisodeListFoot
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Template:EpisodeListFoot

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Naoko_Akagi
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Naoko_Akagi
(sans other media section)

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Character_List
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Template:Character_List

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Evangelion_-_Death_and_Rebirth
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Evangelion:_Death_and_Rebirth

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Revival_of_Evangelion
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Revival_of_Evangelion

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Evangelion_-_Death
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Evangelion:_Death

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Evangelion_-_Rebirth
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Evangelion:_Rebirth

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Episode_10
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Episode_10

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Evangelion_List
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Template:Evangelion_List

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Failed_Evangelion_Prototypes
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Failed_Evangelion_Prototypes

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_Production_Evangelions
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Mass_Production_Evangelions

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Shinji_Ikari_%28Other_Media%29
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Shinji_Ikari_%28Other_Media%29

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Spoilers
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Template:Spoilers

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Angel_List
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Template:Angel_List

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Seed_of_Life
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Seed_of_Life

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Angels_%28Adam%27s_Children%29
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Angels_%28Adam%27s_Children%29
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Postby drinian » Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:33 pm

Thanks, I'll see what I can do this weekend.
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Postby drinian » Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:45 pm

I've added a note with credit to the top of each article page, for instance here:

http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Shinji_Ikari

As the imported templates are largely used in the imported articles, this seems like a good place to leave things for now. If I have time this coming weekend, I can put a credit notice on the template page itself that won't show up in each page it's transcluded in. Since you're the authors, not me, let me know if you feel that's inadequate. However, I think that would fulfill the license.

By the way, it's worth noting that external links in MediaWiki installs are marked "nofollow," meaning that this won't directly affect our search rankings (unfortunately). It should get us a few click-throughs, though.

My conversation with admin Dream Focus is here. The admin who imported our content (and deleted the references back to Evageeks) is unsurprisingly silent.
http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Dream_Focus#Evageeks.org_Content
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