Even the "weirder" ones had cores, you just didn't see them... I meant that with the weirder ones we wouldn't know where their cores are. And those like Sahaquiel and Ireul got "killed" in a pretty unique way... I thought Sahaquiel was killed by them destroying his core ...

Reichu wrote:

Scarecrow wrote:You've obviously never watched enough Star Trek. :P

I don't recall any relevant episodes offhand.

I wish I couldn't recall "Threshold" either! :shock:



- Scarecrow

Seele wants the angels to win? That makes no sense. First off, it clearly doesn't fit with there plan to restart evolution, and second, if they wanted them to win, why create Nerv, or even Gehirn for that matter? All they had to do was sit back after 2I and wait till an Angel woke up and came c...

I had wondered if ecah Angel respresented a possible finaly evolutionary form, skipping out all the hundreds of years between... I can't envision actual evolution (no matter how many years) directing a humanoid lifeform into a single one of the Angels' transmogrified states. You'...

I believe the Pandora's Box / 3I reading still works though. Certainly, if we believe Lilith is Hope... are they then suggesting Gendo doesn't want Lilith? Perhaps they're suggesting that Gendo wants to start humanities 3I using Adam. They tell Kaworu that Gendo is bonded to Adam's b...

Could I just confirm the Box/Hope dialogue? I took it to be referencing Gendo's version of 3I vs SEELE's. Gendo wanting to start 3I /open the Box but then stop it / close the Box before full Instrumentality / Hope appears. SEELE's perspective that the destruction of man in their 3I (...

Well, I don't feel I utterly got it form nowhere but from the actions of the episode and the way things are said and presented. SEELE are clearly lying to Kaworu when they essentially tell him they want him to find Adam and cause 3I. Kaworu, for his part, is smart. When a group of old men tell h...

To expand upon what SEELE told him and the debates I offered above, it's also possible that he suspected it was Lilith bonded with Gendo? I mean, she IS the mother of humanity after all and through her humanity could cause Third Impact. And I always believed he never trusted SEELE and perhaps si...

Somethoughts copied form another thread, though seem more suited for here. ------------------ Obviously not been around as long as everyone here but I'd like to wear my academic hat and at leats offer the wya I always saw it. It seems to me that SEELE and Kaworu have little love or trust in each...

As I said, speculation. That said, perhaps there is no catch-all rule for the Angels. Certainly Armisael strikes me as a very high evolutionary being, a living DNA helix, the source of all life, able to merge and change form. It's not unlike the "ultimate evolution of man" presente din...

Not sure there WAS an easier way, really. His AT Field was incredibly powerful, I doubt anything SEELE could have done would penetrate it. They needed the Eva's to destroy Kaworu... and even then would it be that easy? He allowed himself to be destroyed in the end. In pure speculation you could ...

Obviously not been around as long as everyone here but I'd like to wear my academic hat and at leats offer the wya I always saw it. It seems to me that SEELE and Kaworu have little love or trust in each other. From the discussion they have by the lake I got that SEELE had told Kaworu that they w...

Interetsing points here really. I do wonder how much choice each Angel actually had in it's own form. I think the biggest clue is in Magma Diver, where it seems clear they start as humanoid fetuses that mutate into their final form. But could this form be more suited to their environment? It evo...

If you made a porn film with the Rei clones you could call it "The Dummy Plug"....


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- Scarecrow

One thing that really disturbs me in all the films is just hearing the music of "Emergency Evacuation to Regression". It's so damn haunting and the lyrics... to me it sums up everything wrong and twisted about SEELE. It's a totally emotionaless chant, a religious doctrine that is w...

To me he'll always be a hero. He's one of the characters I have identified with most in any fiction ever, the kid goes through a HELL of a lot. he's pushed and he's pushed and sadly, during EoE, he pretty much snaps. Sure, he does wish everyone to die BUT this is still part of events...

I d agree that I put it into a far too simplistic way and I actually regret writing that last line, I was trying to summarise what I put but I don't think that bit does my views justice. Still, I do believe that it's a strong part of it. A "perfect" world, like the one SEELE seemed...

There is an alternative solution. We can simply consider that Kaworu did not believe Seele. Seele raised him, Kaworu trusted them for a long time, but for a mysterious reason, his opinion about Seele's sincerity turned recently. So, Kaworu goes in Terminal Dogma in order to find Adam. But he fi...

My personal view on the story is one of reality vs fantasy which is an element I think a lot of people see in it. It strikes me that ultimately what Instrumentality offers is ultimate peace and happiness by merging everyone into a whole. In this way humanity will all exist, free from pain, free form...