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by Solarwind
Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:48 pm
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: EoE Kitchen scene
Replies: 29
Views: 6159

Re: EoE Kitchen scene

I assumed Rei had influence over Shinji's ability to meet with others at that time... but we have no way of knowing for sure because I don't think we ever verify if anyone but Shinji had contact with anyone else at that time. In any case, Rei's responses to Shinji when he laments that his current st...
by Solarwind
Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:04 pm
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: EoE Kitchen scene
Replies: 29
Views: 6159

Re: EoE Kitchen scene

I genuinely do not understand why you're so aggressive about it. I'm not contesting what happened, I just don't really understand it and I think I presented reasonably what I am unclear on and trying to make sense of how things occurred. Yes Rei appears when Misato dies, but visually we do not see t...
by Solarwind
Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:02 pm
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: EoE Kitchen scene
Replies: 29
Views: 6159

Re: EoE Kitchen scene

Yikes, this thread got a bit needlessly aggressive. I really didn't intend for this to be an argument on if the scenes were real. I assume they were intended to be. My issue is with trying to understand when they take place with respect to the external events shown and how Shinji reaches them prior ...
by Solarwind
Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:10 pm
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: EoE Kitchen scene
Replies: 29
Views: 6159

Re: EoE Kitchen scene

I just still find it confusing for souls to be in contact with each other prior to Third Impact. It seemed to be the case that souls were not interacting with each other until the stage of being drawn together into the moon. I'm not sure where Rei is 'keeping' these souls in such a way that they are...
by Solarwind
Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:19 pm
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: EoE Kitchen scene
Replies: 29
Views: 6159

Re: EoE Kitchen scene

Yeah, I am on the side of thinking that while Shinji did not really consider the feelings of others, it was largely due to his own issues. Considering that the series focuses on the influence of parents on their children, it stands to reason that much of Shinji's problems originate in parental aband...
by Solarwind
Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:38 pm
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: EoE Kitchen scene
Replies: 29
Views: 6159

Re: EoE Kitchen scene

The issue of chronological time and whether it matters here is somewhat of a problem in regards to where Asuka and Misato are at the time when Shinji interacts with Rei/Lilith prior to Instrumentality proper beginning. While we see her collect them prior to the event beginning, the origin point of t...
by Solarwind
Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:10 am
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: EoE Kitchen scene
Replies: 29
Views: 6159

Re: EoE Kitchen scene

So I suppose the process of gathering the souls into the moon is not a requirement for Shinji to be interacting with the others, at least those who died and were collected by Rei? That part admittedly did always confuse me a bit - Rei is able to be seen by Shinji at the beginning of the series, so t...
by Solarwind
Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:17 am
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: EoE Kitchen scene
Replies: 29
Views: 6159

EoE Kitchen scene

This might be a silly question, but I was looking at the misconceptions page of the wiki and was wondering about this statement: This is part of the Pre-Third Impact Instrumentality. Right before the kitchen fight, Shinji and Asuka witness a scene from Misato's college days, where she is having sex ...
by Solarwind
Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:42 pm
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: Some questions regarding the nature of Rei's soul
Replies: 29
Views: 8391

Re: Some questions regarding the nature of Rei's soul

It's fine. There's no reason you need to accept it. They're both fan theories, not facts. Different ones exist to satisfy different needs. NGE's ability to stimulate the audience's imagination so flexibly is one of its endearing strengths, really. I apologize if I'm been particularly forceful at an...
by Solarwind
Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:52 pm
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: Some questions regarding the nature of Rei's soul
Replies: 29
Views: 8391

Re: Some questions regarding the nature of Rei's soul

I don't think it's irrelevant to ask how something happened if a theory is contingent upon it. Nothing is ever directly stated that would imply Rei came about as an accident, and in fact a lot of it is to the contrary. Particularly the several times in which she is stated to have been created. Throu...
by Solarwind
Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:02 am
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: Some questions regarding the nature of Rei's soul
Replies: 29
Views: 8391

Re: Some questions regarding the nature of Rei's soul

@Reichu, how do you relate your argument to Naoko's attempt to salvage Yui? Do you think Rei had already "emerged" by then? Editing this because I believe I found what you're referring to here. Ritsuko confirms in ep.20 that her mother was present for Yui's attempted salvage, and that the...
by Solarwind
Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:58 am
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: Some questions regarding the nature of Rei's soul
Replies: 29
Views: 8391

Re: Some questions regarding the nature of Rei's soul

Yes, I definitely can see that the graveyard and the image of the CE are in the same place. I was trying to figure out if Rei's "room" was part of that big cross-like area, but it does seem to be a small self-contained room rather than part of that structure. I guess I just don't really fi...
by Solarwind
Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:56 am
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: Some questions regarding the nature of Rei's soul
Replies: 29
Views: 8391

Re: Some questions regarding the nature of Rei's soul

If she was five at the time, then it's possible that she was made months after Yui was lost. Depends on when the contact experiment occurred, exactly. I definitely see the evidence that suggests Rei could have come from a salvage attempt for Yui, but at the same time we're led to believe Gendo has b...
by Solarwind
Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:57 pm
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: Some questions regarding the nature of Rei's soul
Replies: 29
Views: 8391

Re: Some questions regarding the nature of Rei's soul

My bad regarding the Angels and souls. I think my understanding is the same, that they probably received souls later, presumably at the time of Second Impact. They must have been dormant for a long time before that, most likely since Lilith landed and Adam was contained by the Lance. It's possible t...
by Solarwind
Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:20 pm
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: Some questions regarding the nature of Rei's soul
Replies: 29
Views: 8391

Re: Some questions regarding the nature of Rei's soul

I was the main translator for the Classified Information. Why is Adam's soul being collected in a disembodied state and then placed into the entity created by the Adam CE an issue? Who said anything about the soul already inhabiting a human body? :???: If he was recovered in embryo form as the prog...
by Solarwind
Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:49 pm
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: Some questions regarding the nature of Rei's soul
Replies: 29
Views: 8391

Re: Some questions regarding the nature of Rei's soul

"How did a failed salvage attempt spit out an embryonic Yui clone?" is something where the mechanics really aren't important. It's the result that matters. The contact experiment with Adam is similar: we're given just enough hints to be able to work out that Kaworu was a product, and that...
by Solarwind
Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:58 am
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: Some questions regarding the nature of Rei's soul
Replies: 29
Views: 8391

Re: Some questions regarding the nature of Rei's soul

Yui was 27 at the time of the contact experiment. Had the selvage went as planned as shown in Ep. 20, there should be an adult in the late 20s coming out of the LCL instead of a teenager. Fuyutsuki once said Rei is the product of his despair and yet Gendo's vessel of hope. It is possible that only ...
by Solarwind
Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:08 pm
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: Some questions regarding the nature of Rei's soul
Replies: 29
Views: 8391

Re: Some questions regarding the nature of Rei's soul

It's generally assumed that Rei was created as a result of the failed salvage operation for at least two reasons off the top of my head. (A) Otherwise there's no real significance born of the rather strange fact that Lilith and Eva-01 are still connected when Yui did the contact experiment. (Releva...
by Solarwind
Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:52 am
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: Some questions regarding the nature of Rei's soul
Replies: 29
Views: 8391

Re: Some questions regarding the nature of Rei's soul

The dub is full of errors and should not be used as a primary reference for anything Eva -related. In the Japanese, Ritsuko says, "Only she [that girl] was born with a soul." ("Ano musume ni shika tamashii wa umarenakatta no yo.") In NGE, new souls seem to be created through rep...
by Solarwind
Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:20 am
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: Some questions regarding the nature of Rei's soul
Replies: 29
Views: 8391

Re: Some questions regarding the nature of Rei's soul

All right, I've finished the series plus the ending movie. I think most of the details of my questions on this have been answered -- in particular, Ritsuko does not use the term "born" in the dub, she says that Rei is the only vessel that can hold a soul. Not that she was born with one. So...

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