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Postby Mr. Tines » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:59 am

@Marynou_penguin :thumbsup:
That's exactly the supporting information a translation needs, with all the noise floating around on the internets.

View Original PostMarynou_penguin wrote:I used "eaten" for Eva 02 but I'm not sure what word I should be using. They say the Eva is not whole and refer it, indeed, as being eaten or something hence the parts.
Since EVA-08 has had makeshift parts added to it, an idiomatic English construction would be something like jury-rigged or kit-bashed, describing the ad hoc lash-ups made in lieu of a formal repair, rather than the state of the underlying object; at that point, though, the whole sentence needs rewriting.

The use of "cannibalised" would indicate that 08 had been used as a source of spares for something else.


EDIT -- got my Eva units mixed up; correct would be

The use of "cannibalised" would indicate that 02 had been used as a source of spares for something else.

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View Original PostReichu wrote:This whole "overlap" thing gives me a very, very bad feeling...

...that we might still get that half-and-half Eva from the Q next time PV.

View Original PostMarynou_penguin wrote:Should I go on with part 1?
That too would be great.
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Postby Marynou_penguin » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:01 am

Well they do use Cannabilize for Eva 02, but the translation is actual crap however you look at it. I'll leave that part to you.

EDIT: and the Japanese is indeed obscure. Her words ARE purposefully cryptic and we need the rest of the movie to be sure about what she's saying.

I'll post my own part 1 in the next few hours!

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Postby SEELE-01 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:15 am

To me the "cannibalize" term is indeed odd, no matter where you put it or how you use it...
They are not dismantling other Eva units to repair Eva 02 (at the state it was in at the end of Q, a new Eva would be far more practical!), and unless there are more people around with "good" Evas*, "cannibalizing" the spare parts is merely salvaging them...


*as in "we are fighting (cannibalizing) each other over spare parts for our Evas, even when we are on the same boat."
Although to be fair, we still don't know the whereabouts of Evas 7, 10, 11 and 12, if they even exist and if they do, if they are Mark. Units or Production Models
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Postby Reichu » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:31 am

Regarding the whole "cannibalize" thing, we should reference the Japanese here if at all possible. Checking again, Mari says ニコイチ型弐号機の新造 (nikoichi-gata Nigouki no shinzou); nikoichi means "combining the working parts of two or more broken machines to make one functioning machine", which in context would be referring to fixing Eva-02 with the spare parts at Paris. "(Now) we have the parts to make Eva-02 like new" should be fine, I think.

View Original PostMarynou_penguin wrote:I heard "nagara-chi" and not "petite" on my cam.

It's easier to hear it when she's doing the Eiffel Tower charge. 「長良プチ」

BlueBasilisk wrote:The black pillar being able to revert core goes a long way toward explaining how shit like the Vessel of the Adams exists and how Nerv is getting resources. If that pillar is Seele tech (and I strongly suspect it is), then they have evidently cracked the process of transmuting core into other substances. Apply that to a production facility and voila! The pillar was one of the missing pieces we've been waiting for.

They're specifically called "sealing pillars", and those things on them are "Angel hex sealing runes", so that doesn't to me imply that it works both ways.

Great observations on the Wunder and L-Field technical side of things!

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Postby ErgoProxy » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:46 am

Mr. Tines wrote:...that we might still get that half-and-half Eva from the Q next time PV.

If they decided to use the term "superposition", I'd rather expect something funky about AT-Field, as the term in question is used to describe situation when two or more physical fields overlap in space and strengthen or weaken each other, depending on directions of their force vectors.

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Postby BlueBasilisk » Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:23 pm

View Original PostReichu wrote:They're specifically called "sealing pillars", and those things on them are "Angel hex sealing runes", so that doesn't to me imply that it works both ways.

Great observations on the Wunder and L-Field technical side of things!

Thanks! ^_^

I didn't mean that they were using the pillar itself to do make these things. Rather, I don't believe it's a stretch to think that the principles and technology that make the pillars work could be applied elsewhere to other ends. The pillar is more like evidence that Seele is sufficiently advanced for such techno-wizardry, if that makes sense?
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Postby Marynou_penguin » Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:40 pm

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1
00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:29,000
Paris Assault fleet ready.
Descending at Point 0 of the old city.

2
00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:35,000
To all ships, assume a defensive position. Move backward slowly.
Control of gravity, autonomous behaviour
and guidance system: all clear.

3
00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:41,000
Paris's sky is clear all around.
Surface Core state is of category 6.

4
00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:45,000
Checking the ship's coordinates.
She's arrived at the operation's starting point.

5
00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,000
Roger. To all ships, switch to alert mode.

6
00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:02,000
To all ships, switch tactical formation to alert mode positioning.
Eva-08 and DSRV descending to the target.

7
00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,000
Landing pads' anchors: normal.

8
00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,000
The DSRV has locked into position.

9
00:05:15,500 --> 00:05:21,000
The DSRV has landed.
Analysing the atmospheric composition.
Oxygen density reads at -3. CO² is tolerable.
We can land here.

10
00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,000
Roger. Let's start the mission.

11
00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:42,000
It's been 16 years since I last came here.
Look at what's become of the famous City of Light...
It makes my heart ache.

12
00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:55,000
The L Field density is quite high.
For that Euro Nerv Sealing Pillar Nb.1
the restauration can't take any more than 720 seconds.

13
00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,000
Why's that? It's 180 seconds less than planned!
Is it even long enough to come pick us up?

14
00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:07,000
Seriously I wish the pilots were the only ones who wore these ridiculous suits.

15
00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,000
Shut it and get to work!

16
00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,000
Do you think we'll be able to activate the Anti L system?

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00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,000
A recovery should be possible in stage 4.

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00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,000
We should thank our predecessors for that.

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00:06:20,500 --> 00:06:23,000
We will uphold your wish to save the city.

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00:06:24,500 --> 00:06:26,000
Good, let's get to work.

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00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,000
I knew it, here they are!

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Eva 44A, customized aerial type! Closing in at 4 o'clock!

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Wonderful frontline formation.
They move as a swarm by themselves.
They're like a new creature now.

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Please stop them Mari. Give us 560 more seconds.

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Yessir! I'll be honored to take care of all these 44A!
Let's go my little Nagara. My flight is in your hands!
Now let's see...

25
00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,000
Direction, turning, tilting... Interesting but...

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00:07:05,00 --> 00:07:13,000
This setup is really odd.
If only they had at least kept human pivot points.

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Unit-08, engagement of first wave of 44As in progress.

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Second wave detected.
As planned, all 44As are attracted to Unit-08.

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00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,000
420 seconds remaining for the operation.

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This is so slow boss.
It's like working on a 8 bits PC.

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This system is as cryptic as an Eva's.
It's not easy to control these using human language.

32
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Stage 4 clear. We're quite late.

33
00:07:46,500 --> 00:07:48,000
Stay calm and hurry.

34
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Yes 'mam.

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Careful to maintain speed. Add 20 to guiding.
Keep current tilt angle.

36
00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,000
Full steam ahead!

37
00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,000
You're not getting away!

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Whoops.

39
00:08:25,500 --> 00:08:28,000
The 4th wave is coming!

40
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Alone against an army. As they say,
As they say, Many a small bird drive away a hawk.

41
00:08:36,500 --> 00:08:39,000
360 seconds remaining.

42
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I can't get past stage 5.

43
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You're hopeless, just keep trying.

44
00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,000
Impossible!
We don't have enough time to replace the data.

45
00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,000
Nothing is impossible!
Add more bypass!

46
00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,000
But boss, we just don't have enough time!

47
00:08:53,500 --> 00:08:56,000
Stop whining.
That's why I hate young guys.

48
00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,000
Assholes!

50
00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,000
What a bunch of loosers! Come on, bring it!

51
00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,000
That one was really easy!

51
00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:52,000
Ho ho... Aren't these fake angels
and decoys? So troublesome!

52
00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,000
Be careful! Their leader's here!

53
00:10:01,500 --> 00:10:05,000
A military use of the Evas,
forbidden by the Vatican Treaty.

54
00:10:05,500 --> 00:10:12,000
Together they make quite a threat.
A ground fighting-type 4444C armed with a positron
cannon and 44Bs modified as an energy source.


55
00:10:12,500 --> 00:10:16,000
Vice Commander Fuyutsuki
must be testing us.

56
00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,000
The 44B's high energy
levels are rising!

57
00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:29,000
To all ships, take defensive measures.
Brace yourself for the impact and the EM blast.

58
00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,000
The 4444C is now in shooting position.

59
00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:48,000
The 44Bs are generating massive power output.
It's being fed to the ultra-high voltage system!

60
00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,000
4444C's entire feed systems
are now active.

61
00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:57,000
Positron's acceleration in final phase!
The breech is locked!

62
00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,000
Shot incoming!

63
00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,000
We won by a hair breath!

64
00:11:38,500 --> 00:11:41,000
We're done if that thing shoots again!

65
00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,000
44Bs are generating high power levels again.

66
00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,000
The energy is being stored
in the high power feed system.

67
00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,000
Already?! 4444C has started its engine.
It is ready to fire!

68
00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,000
We're so done for!

69
00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:02,000
Second shot incoming!
This is really, really bad!

70
00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,000
I need help little Nagara!

71
00:12:09,500 --> 00:12:10,500
Roger.

72
00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,000
Like it's gonna stop me!
 
73
00:12:34,500 --> 00:12:36,000
<i>Excuse-moi Eiffel.</i>

74
00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:58,000
4444C has completly gone silent.
Operating time remaining: 30 seconds.

75
00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,000
- We're using C to analyze the algorythm.
- The final lock has been deactivated!
- Anti-L system, stage 5 completed!


76
00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,000
It's started Vice Commander!

77
00:13:15,500 --> 00:13:21,000
Area of the old city of Paris is being restored.
Euro-Nerv's installation system is rebooting.
Systems are online.

78
00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:55,000
Good work Maya. it was a close shave.

79
00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:00,000
Mission complete.
Misato, come pick up the package.


80
00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,000
Roger.
Hovering down to the supply point.


81
00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:11,000
All of you, prepare for resupply.
Priority for spare parts and Eva ammunitions.

82
00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,000
Lâchez les navires soutien logistique.
Faut les pièces pout refair l'Unité 02!
Drop the logistic support ships.
We need the parts to rebuild Unit-02

83
00:14:15,500 --> 00:14:17,000
The results has been worth the effort.

84
00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:24,000
Now the eaten Unit-O2 can be rebuild anew,
and we can modify Unit-08 to make it
compatible with superposition.

85
00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,000
Wherever you are,
I'll come fetch you.


86
00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,500
Just you wait, Puppy Boy.


Hope it's useful in anyway. Feel free to use this however you wish. This is my translation for the whole thing, the only part I'm totally unsure of is about the canabilization stuff. The rest is on point, even the Core surface thing (the hell it means I don't know, I guess they mean it works as a Core? I don't know, stop being so cryptic Anno).

As for "superposition" or whatever: I think Mari wants to use Unit 8 by merging it with something, maybe 01 or 02. She clearly has a plan. Thing is, once again, there is NO correct translation as long as we don't know the entire story. The words she uses are VERY enigmatic. They could mean anything.

EDIT: The ships at the beginning are positioning themselves to to be ready for an attack. This is what we call "alert mode". I found the translation very fitting, I was going for Vigilant mode.

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Postby Marynou_penguin » Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:53 pm

Just noticed that Mari actually speaks 4 languages in 10minutes... Somewhat.

Japanese, English, French... As well as a Latin phrase she translated to Japanese. She is clearly fuckin old.

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Postby ElMariachi » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:00 pm

For the cannibalization stuff with EVA-02, the line in French is "Maintenant une Unité-02 cannibalisée peut être reconstruite à neuf",the bolded part is important because it then means "Now a cannibalized Unit-02 can be rebuild to new", the "a" could mean "Now [even] a cannibalized 02 can be repaired".

The term isn't used very often in France, but "cannibalized" can also be used to refer to (usually disabled or damaged) vehicles that had part taken from them to use to repair other vehicles. As I know several people in the French Army (or work on military equipment) on another forum, it's a term that comes back often due to the great age of many materials (hell some of the helicopters dates from the sixties) and the constant lack of funding for the maintenance of material.

So since 08 apparently had some additional pieces of armors jury-rigged (and thus lacking even the paint), it could be that some parts of the wreckage of 02, or some of its spare parts, were used to repair and equip 08 for this mission.


View Original PostMarynou_penguin wrote:Just noticed that Mari actually speaks 4 languages in 10minutes... Somewhat.

Japanese, English, French... As well as a Latin phrase she translated to Japanese. She is clearly fuckin old.

Or she had gone to a good private school in England.
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Postby Mr. Tines » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:06 pm

View Original PostElMariachi wrote:cannibalized" can also be used to refer to (usually disabled or damaged) vehicles that had part taken from them to use to repair other vehicles.
Yes. I inadvertently muddied the waters by misremembering which unit was being referred to at that point.
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Postby Marynou_penguin » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:07 pm

I see! Didn't know that part about the French army. Thank you!

I stand by my Mary Is Not Human theory :p. SEELE sent her for a reason after all, but why would she be working for Wille? Trying to sabotage them? A plan 15 years in the making?

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Postby Blockio » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:07 pm

View Original PostElMariachi wrote:The term isn't used very often in France, but "cannibalized" can also be used to refer to (usually disabled or damaged) vehicles that had part taken from them to use to repair other vehicles. As I know several people in the French Army (or work on military equipment) on another forum, it's a term that comes back often due to the great age of many materials (hell some of the helicopters dates from the sixties) and the constant lack of funding for the maintenance of material.

similar terminology is also used in the German and Swiss army, and while they weren't using the term itself, some US military people I've talked to hinted at similar wording for the process.
The process itself is very commonplace in just about any military, using ancient equipment to fix your """new""" equipment from 30 years ago that broke is very much not exclusive to the French military
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Postby Reichu » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:07 pm

Thanks for doing that, Marynou_penguin! Do you mind if I make a custom blend and put it on our wiki?

It just occurred to me what this part is on about:

MAYA:
This system is as cryptic as an Eva.
It's not easy to control these using human language.

This confused me at first, but now I feel stupid. It's the sealing pillar with the runes on it! They're telling us it's not human in origin! :devil:

Time to update the sheeyat out of this.

@ElMariachi: I posted what the original Japanese for the "cannibalized" line was.
Why are we still trying to interpret this through a game of telephone? It's a Japanese movie!

View Original PostMarynou_penguin wrote:I stand by my Mary Is Not Human theory :p.

Well, about that...

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Postby Marynou_penguin » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:10 pm

Do what you want with my translation :p

Yeah it's a question of language. Evas work like living beings hence them being hard to communicate with, the pillar is not using a human language. The Japanese is just as cryptic.

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Postby ElMariachi » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:12 pm

View Original PostBlockio wrote:similar terminology is also used in the German and Swiss army, and while they weren't using the term itself, some US military people I've talked to hinted at similar wording for the process.
The process itself is very commonplace in just about any military, using ancient equipment to fix your """new""" equipment from 30 years ago that broke is very much not exclusive to the French military

I don't doubt it, I just don't know people from other armies. :tongue:
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Postby Kendrix » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:19 pm

View Original PostMarynou_penguin wrote:Just noticed that Mari actually speaks 4 languages in 10minutes... Somewhat.

Japanese, English, French... As well as a Latin phrase she translated to Japanese.


That's not at all unusual for an European tho, at least not if they're from an educated background. They teach French in a lot of high schools, maybe slightly less so in the UK but still it's not suspicious or unusual in and of itself.
She'd have learned Japanese and English from her parents so only the French would need extra schooling, and "excuse moi" is hardly a difficiult phrase

In some parts of Africa or Asia it's even common for people to speak five or more languages without being secretly 60 XD

...watching this I was actually surprised how much of french class still remained in my head given that I never put in the slightest effort

IDK I still think the woman in the picture is her mother, in 2.0 she talks about "working with adults" and Kaji mentions how her "new suit didn't arrive in time" possibly implying that the one she wore didn't fit because its old.
None of this decisively disproves the theory, but I guess that I find "she likes old timesy music and slang" way more interesting than "Shes secretly old" because the former is actually characterization
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Re: "EVANGELION:3.0+1.0 AVANT 1 (from beginning to 10:40) Version 0706" discussion and prediction thread

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Postby ErgoProxy » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:44 pm

And there's nothing strange in being fond of music from, let's say, late 60ies (the hippies' era) for a human being from our reality, living in an Occident country.

Kendrix wrote:That's not at all unusual for an European tho, at least not if they're from an educated background.

Can confirm, as it is a standard in Polish high schools to teach two foreign languages at their basic level. And Koniec wieńczy dzieło sentence is kinda part of common curriculum which everyone with proper education should learn this way or another.

Kendrix wrote:In some parts of Africa or Asia it's even common for people to speak five or more languages without being secretly 60 XD

Stan Ulam in his Adventures of Mathematician gives an example of an amalgam sentence containing words borrowed from five or six languages and states that such improvised (!) pidgin speech was nothing incommon among students in his city of birth (Lviv, then known as Lwów).
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Re: "EVANGELION:3.0+1.0 AVANT 1 (from beginning to 10:40) Version 0706" discussion and prediction thread

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Postby Reichu » Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:13 pm

Alright, I cleaned the translation up a bit and tweaked the timings more so that not so many lines are on-screen at once. It's timed to this, so if you're using something else, time to grab a subtitling program and shift those babies around.

Translation page for 3+1 Avant A on EGF Wiki (SRT formatting)

EDIT: Anyone who grabbed this the instant I posted it, grab it again, please. :P
EDIT2: Mari's line at the end in Japanese is 最高は隆隆. There was some argument over this, but "To the victor go the spoils" seems to capture the spirit of it.
Also, Hyuga's last subbed line doesn't match the Japanese, but I can't completely make out what he's saying (ends in 急げ!, and he doesn't mention 弐号機 at all, but outside of that...)

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Re: "EVANGELION:3.0+1.0 AVANT 1 (from beginning to 10:40) Version 0706" discussion and prediction thread

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Postby Marynou_penguin » Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:25 pm

View Original PostReichu wrote:Alright, I cleaned the translation up a bit and tweaked the timings more so that not so many lines are on-screen at once. It's timed to this, so if you're using something else, time to grab a subtitling program and shift those babies around.

Translation page for 3+1 Avant A on EGF Wiki (SRT formatting)

EDIT: Anyone who grabbed this the instant I posted it, grab it again, please. :P
EDIT2: Mari's line at the end in Japanese is 最高は隆隆. There was some argument over this, but "To the victor go the spoils" seems to capture the spirit of it.
Also, Hyuga's last subbed line doesn't match the Japanese, but I can't completely make out what he's saying (ends in 急げ!, and he doesn't mention 弐号機 at all, but outside of that...)


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Re: "EVANGELION:3.0+1.0 AVANT 1 (from beginning to 10:40) Version 0706" discussion and prediction thread

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Postby Stan » Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:03 pm

That's some really good work you guys have been putting in with this translation - great job!!
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