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Postby Cookie H Wilson » Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:54 am

quote all of this 100%
I am so thrilled with what I have seen!
Great point of your, the "get out of Shinji's point of view (I remember how crazy he went fighting with Asuka, saying with these spears I am gonna change the world") and now the following movie opens in an actual group activity to "rebuild" Paris out of the coreified condition!

View Original Postkuribo-04 wrote:So probably the film goes up to part D?

Seeing ElMariachi analyze this stuff brings me back to the 3.0 days lol.

I love how Eva is still so packed with content.


I get where you're coming from, but I think there are several reasons this works.
1-These movies are more concerned with the world and Humanity as a whole. So I think showing this succesful team effort will be important for the film.
2-This scene serves to pull you out of Shinji's mind. It's sad when you realize he rejected this team of perfectly fine people working on actual solutions while he made things worse, working from his isolation.

Shinji and co will still appear, but these movies like reminding you not all the characters have their mindset (it's one of the reasons Mari works for me).

3.0 had a pretty traditional action scene as an opener and went crazy places, so I don't think we should worry about that.

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Postby ElMariachi » Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:56 am

View Original PostKendrix wrote:There is some talk of a time limit and hurrying to fetch the parts

IDK what for tho, also i get the impression they only just got it to work, as with the Wunder WILLE always seems to be improving stuff and who can blame them with such odds

From what I understood, the time limit is actually about how much time to decrypt and activate the sealing pylon they have before the L-Barrier turn them to core (or tang them, we don't know what's the effect on organic material), and it turns out that due to the L-Barrier density being higher than what they planned, they'll have 720 seconds to activate the pylon, instead of the 900 planned.
I didn't saw any mention that they have limited time to fetch the parts before Paris turns back to core. Although it's still possible that the city will turn back to core after a time, but then that would raise the question of where do WILLE stuff comes from if everything is constantly slowly turning back to core (unless there are pockets of places where the L-Barrier density is low enough to not turn everything to core or can be permanently turned back to normal)



I will just put my answers to Reichu's post in one big reply instead of spaghetti posting :
View Original PostReichu wrote:The thread on the subreddit has some interesting information, figured I would collect the best tidbits over here for easy later reference:


JoshLeaves

[Pastebin Missing some lines at the beginning:

1/ The "DSRV" is a made-up word, pronounced the same in Japanese, no need for brackets.


2/ The line "The end justifies the means" sounds closer (in French) to "To the victor go the spoils".

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3/ (...) discussed it with a translator friend: the "Je vous laisse" has a better meaning as "I leave it in your hands", with the intent clearly being "someone else was there before".

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    4/
  • The aerial units (44A) are apparently more 'wild' for lack of a better term, Ritsuko says they have "formed a colony by themselves" and that they're a new lifeform now.


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5/ It's kinda obvious, but there's another evidence that Mari is actually super old. At some point, she yelled 「あじゃぱー」 which is dead Japanese but was trending among youth and being used in around 1950-70.
[Included for the language tidbit, not for the crazy speculation. -Reichu]

1/ I think that DSRV stands for "Deep Submergence Rescue Vehicle", those are mini submarines used to rescue downed submarines or transport special forces during insertion and extraction missions, in fact, I might be wrong, but the one WILLE uses here looks a lot like the JMSDF DSRV Angler Fish 2 :
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2/ The exact line in French is "La fin couronne le travail", which means "The end crowns the work", it's not a phrase used in France, but after a quick research, it seems to be a translation of the latin phrase “Finis Coronat Opus”, traditionally attributed to the Roman poet Ovid (the latin phrase is in the Coat of Arms of Seychelles).
Apparently it's also a quote from Elizabeth I, which would tie with Mari's half-British origin.


3/ As a French, I can confirm, it's possible that whoever left that message didn't had time to finish it thought.


4/ Maybe that's how neo-NERV keeps the pressure on WILLE, by unleashing hordes of autonomous drones that will "live" their lives all around the world and wreck havoc when someone enters their territory (just release them in the territories you don't want WILLE to go), since now we know that it's possible to turn back core material into normal (which is probably how neo-NERV got all its resources, maybe the giant craters we see in Tokyo-3 in Q are piles of core material extracted to be turned back to normal and feed their factories), the worst would be if those colonies have the means to produce more units (either by von Neumann or the colony doubling as a factory to "birth" more units)


5/ Could also be that Mari simply likes old slang because now it's more unique.



View Original Postkuribo-04 wrote:So probably the film goes up to part D?

Seeing ElMariachi analyze this stuff brings me back to the 3.0 days lol.

I love how Eva is still so packed with content.

I know right ? I've waited seven years to be able to delve back into Eva's absurd level of details! Just like old times! :D



View Original PostMr. Tines wrote:Bunch of screenies from the Shinjuku version of the Avant; some just clearer versions of earlier takes from Paris, plus a couple of others showing the ground attack with Parisian landmarks for context
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Oh, so the "44B" isn't a codename WILLE came up with, it's actually how neo-NERV designate them! Well it seems that for all their genius, Gendo and Fuyu can't name for shit! (guys responsible for naming stuff must had deserted to WILLE :tongue: )

View Original PostMr. Tines wrote:Champs Elysée : La Défense to Arc de Triomphe
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Uh, I think Khara made a goof in the landscape here: the right-most tower (just left of the sealing pillar in the forefront) is clearly the Montparnasse tower:
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Except that if we have the Arc de Triomphe in the foreground and the Defense in the background, then in means that the "camera" is facing Northwestward, while the Montparnasse tower is at the Southeast of the Arc de Triomphe!
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As for the other tower (between the Quantum Montparnasse tower and the Defense) my best guest is that it's the Hôtel Concorde La Fayette tower (now called Hyatt Regency Paris Étoile), which is behind the "Palais des congrès", it's the only building compatible with the direction the camera is facing :
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Postby MuscleRobo » Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:56 am

I thought the Wunder looking like the carrier from Yukikaze was just an inspiration thing but now I'm wondering if all the drones and a few other things I'm seeing means that we're getting something like the Jam. To be honest I haven't watched 3.33 in years so I'm going to watch all the rebuilds then this again and come back with more of the things that reminded me of Yukikaze and elaborate.

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Postby Reichu » Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:04 am

Awwww yeah! For a while now, I've been suspecting that these Mark.04s were connected to Eva-04's accident. And now... look! LOOOOOOK! :devil:

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:emogendo:

On that note...

View Original PostGendo'sPapa wrote:I'm loving how in this post timeskip world the battle is between human specialists and automated labor.
Wille is a bunch of people with different skills who have all come together to achieve a goal while the New NERV has evolved into an automated workforce seemingly devoid of any human workers except the CEO's (Gendo & Fuyutsuki) at the top. (snip)

There's a fair chance that Nerv's workforce is made of human workers -- that have been turned into largely mindless lookalike drones. (See link above.) I dunno if the "replaced with automation" metaphor still works in that light. Makes me think more of wage slavery or something... We ourselves are the interchangeable, disposable commodities serving our corporate masters at Nerv HQ.

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Postby kuribo-04 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:06 am

View Original PostCookie H Wilson wrote:quote all of this 100%
I am so thrilled with what I have seen!
the "get out of Shinji's point of view (I remember how crazy he went fighting with Asuka, saying with these spears I am gonna change the world") and now the following movie opens in an actual group activity to "rebuild" Paris

Exactly, it's honestly very sad to think how pathetic his effort in the previous movie was.
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Postby Mr. Tines » Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:20 am

View Original PostElMariachi wrote:Uh, I think Khara made a goof in the landscape here: the right-most tower (just left of the sealing pillar in the forefront) is clearly the Montparnasse tower:


That's what I thought it looked like, too. Their continuity editing clearly needs another pass as it's obviously not in this

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Postby ElMariachi » Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:31 am

View Original PostReichu wrote:Awwww yeah! For a while now, I've been suspecting that these Mark.04s were connected to Eva-04's accident. And now... look! LOOOOOOK! :devil:

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:emogendo:

Wait, so which is supposed to be their real color : khaki green like in the Paris screening, or light gray like in the Shinjuku screening? (I admit I vastly prefer the khaki green, although the non-painted gray goes well thematically with neo-NERV's extremely utilitarian, if not sterile, overall design)
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Postby ErgoProxy » Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:35 am

Reichu wrote:There's a fair chance that Nerv's workforce is made of human workers -- that have been turned into largely mindless lookalike drones. (See link above.) I dunno if the "replaced with automation" metaphor still works in that light. Makes me think more of wage slavery or something... We ourselves are the interchangeable, disposable commodities serving our corporate masters at Nerv HQ.

We are all Rei clones? Because IMO this is the most probable course of things in NERV, basing on what we could see in Q. They produce 14-yo human dolls that they then implant into their evalike vessels and deploy wherever they want, to replace them when they wear out.
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Postby Reichu » Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:40 am

View Original PostElMariachi wrote:Wait, so which is supposed to be their real color : khaki green like in the Paris screening, or light gray like in the Shinjuku screening? (I admit I vastly prefer the khaki green, although the non-painted gray goes well thematically with neo-NERV's extremely utilitarian, if not sterile, overall design)

Well, in the Shinjuku video, we can actually see stuff, and in the other one, we can't... And in the video where we can see stuff, some of the Evas have a color scheme that just so happens to match the NTE version of Eva-04... And these Evas just so happen to be part of the Mark.04 series, and why they are called that has never been explained (Eva ordinals are not typically reused)... I mean, what do you think? :tongue:

View Original PostErgoProxy wrote:We are all Rei clones?

The explanation is in the thread I linked.

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Postby Kendrix » Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:45 am

Mari sure likes 70s stuff including her songs, wether that has a reason other than her eccentricity and maybe an admiration of that era remains to be seen but it's a nice character detail

As for everything else: Great catch!

Reichu's theory is fully possible considering that Asuka refers to ReiQ as an "early" Ayanami-type, implying that there is such a thing as a "late" one. Could just basically be dummy plugs tho but having Neo Nerv use them for everything does make a certain kind of sense.
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Postby Marynou_penguin » Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:16 am

Transcript part 2

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51
00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:52,000
Ho ho... Aren't these fake angels
and decoys? So troublesome!

52
00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,000
Be careful! Their leader's here!

53
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A military use of the Evas,
forbidden by the Vatican Treaty.

54
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Together they make quite a threat.
A ground fighting-type 4444C armed with a positron
cannon and 44Bs modified as an energy source.


55
00:10:12,500 --> 00:10:16,000
Vice Commander Fuyutsuki
must be testing us.

56
00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,000
The 44B's high energy
levels are rising!

57
00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:29,000
To all ships, take defensive measures.
Brace yourself for the impact and the EM blast.

58
00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,000
The 4444C is now in shooting position.

59
00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:48,000
The 44Bs are generating massive power output.
It's being fed to the ultra-high voltage system!

60
00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,000
4444C's entire feed systems
are now active.

61
00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:57,000
Positron's acceleration in final phase!
The breech is locked!

62
00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,000
Shot incoming!

63
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We won by a hair breath!

64
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We're done if that thing shoots again!

65
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44Bs are generating high power levels again.

66
00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,000
The energy is being stored
in the high power feed system.

67
00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,000
Already?! 4444C has started its engine.
It is ready to fire!

68
00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,000
We're so done for!

69
00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:02,000
Second shot incoming!
This is really, really bad!

70
00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,000
I need help little Nagara!

71
00:12:09,500 --> 00:12:10,500
Roger.

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Like it's gonna stop me!
 
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<i>Excuse-moi Eiffel.</i>

74
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4444C has completly gone silent.
Operating time remaining: 30 seconds.

75
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- We're using C to analyze the algorythm.
- The final lock has been deactivated!
- Anti-L system, stage 5 completed!


76
00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,000
It's started Vice Commander!

77
00:13:15,500 --> 00:13:21,000
Area of the old city of Paris is being restored.
Euro-Nerv's installation system is rebooting.
Systems are online.

78
00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:55,000
Good work Maya. it was a close shave.

79
00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:00,000
Mission complete.
Misato, come pick up the package.


80
00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,000
Roger.
Hovering down to the supply point.


81
00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:11,000
All of you, prepare for resupply.
Priority for spare parts and Eva ammunitions.

82
00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,000
Lâchez les navires soutien logistique.
Faut les pièces pout refair l'Unité 02!
Drop the logistic support ships.
We need the parts to rebuild Unit-02

83
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The results has been worth the effort.

84
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Now the eaten Unit-O2 can be rebuild anew,
and we can modify Unit-08 to make it
compatible with superposition.

85
00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,000
Wherever you are,
I'll come fetch you.


86
00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,500

Just you wait, Puppy Boy.


Please correct the script as you see fit to make it sound more English or Eva. The descriptions are as truthful to the source as possible but, yeah,I'm not sure how they've translated these these past 25 years in English (as in, I don't remember, I've been head-deep into the French translation for months for a job). It's just usual Eva bureaucratic speech.
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Postby Arcadia's legacy » Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:29 am

Ok, this is just a shot in the dark, but could the amount of 4's in the name be referring to how many Eva bodies make up the whole? As in, 44B's are two Eva Bodies holding generators, while the 4444C is four bodies holding up the positron cannon
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Postby Marynou_penguin » Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:32 am

This is how I understand it. 44Bs are Evas that have been repurposed as generators, 4444C is a big one using a cannon. Not sure if the "leader" (they use "boss" in Japanese, it makes no sense in French) is all of them or the main one.

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Postby Reichu » Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:37 am

Marynou_penguin: You plan to do the first half as well? I started cleaning that up but some stuff was still iffy. Later I can fuse the various efforts (along with some intel I got on the official English subs) and put it on our wiki if that's okay with you.

View Original PostArcadia's legacy wrote:Ok, this is just a shot in the dark, but could the amount of 4's in the name be referring to how many Eva bodies make up the whole? As in, 44B's are two Eva Bodies holding generators, while the 4444C is four bodies holding up the positron cannon

I agree with that; I came to the same conclusion.

View Original PostKendrix wrote:Reichu's theory is fully possible considering that Asuka refers to ReiQ as an "early" Ayanami-type, implying that there is such a thing as a "late" one. Could just basically be dummy plugs tho but having Neo Nerv use them for everything does make a certain kind of sense.

The Rei stuff is ErgoProxy, not me. I don't go into how the Mark.04s are controlled, but their implied human origins are, again, discussed here.

In terms of control... The 44As had a bunch of junk attached to them that gave me pretty strong Third Angel flashbacks, and the Third Angel had a "pseudo entry plug" that was never explained. The "pseudo" means that it's not a real entry plug, but... it doesn't tell us what it actually IS. We do see that the Angel's motion briefly stops after Mari stabs the plug, so it still seems intended to be some form of physical controller. We also know that Mark.06 was reconfigured into an autonomous unit, so pilot-free tech exists by the present date.

Incidentally, the implications of the dummy plugs are kind of horrifying... They're core-based tech, and, while most core-stuff we see has lots of particles floating around in it, this effect is missing from Eva-01's core when we see Yui's experiment. This suggests to me that most of the core we see has been imbued with "life" in some sense...

The logo of the dummy system looks kind of like it symbolically represents someone trapped inside a coffin, screaming.

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Postby Marynou_penguin » Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:43 am

I didn't plan to, but if you want me to take a new look at it or something, please post me the code and I'll translate it asap :)

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Postby Mr. Tines » Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:45 am

View Original PostMarynou_penguin wrote:The descriptions are as truthful to the source as possible
Just to be clear, what are you counting as source here? The French subtitle text as I transcribed it, or the Japanese audio?

The found-elsewhere translations (https://pastebin.com/mcaKEDwb, timed as https://files.catbox.moe/lymshb.srt) were adequate renderings of the French apart from simple blunders like

  • Core-ized (or corified or whatever)
  • The kenning "City of Lights" for Paris
  • Mari's final line about puppy boy

and maybe in the cases of idiomatic speech where I can't be 100% about the non-literal meaning of the French

  • That Ovid quote
  • The line that, literally translated, talks about nose-picking
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Postby Marynou_penguin » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:05 am

I used both the French and Japanese sources. The most complicated phrases (energy concentrating, etc...) are mostly from French as the rest (people talking, Ritsuko about the Vatican, Mari...) are from Japanese. Like the things about rebooting Paris: the French subs were nonsense, it sounded like they were installing something when they merely noticed the system was still working and they rebooted it.
I actually compared all terms used (like "commanders and such") to English wikis. Fuyutsuki is still vice commander, the French translation doesn't mean anything. Maya is talking to commander-senpai or something who is Ritsuko. This is where I used multiple sources to translate.

Mari is indeed badly translated Latin to Japanese and then to French. I used a simple idiomatic modern expression instead.

I used "eaten" for Eva 02 but I'm not sure what word I should be using. They say the Eva is not whole and refer it, indeed, as being eaten or something hence the parts. It doesn't sound idiomatic at all though (and don't start me on the French subs, my eyes are burning just reading them)

My second half is me trying to be as precise as possible but it mustn't sound that idiomatic at points. Feel free to edit. Was it that different from other sources?

EDIT: to be clear, Khara themselves translated it and it shows. Nobody would ever say "Monsieur chien" or whatever. It doesn't mean anything. I used Puppy Boy because she says Wanko kun as usual.

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Re: "EVANGELION:3.0+1.0 AVANT 1 (from beginning to 10:40) Version 0706" discussion and prediction thread

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Postby Reichu » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:22 am

"Vice Commander" is a holdover from the pre-Kanemitsu days; the khara translations use "Deputy Commander".

About the Eva-02/08 line, here's what someone who was at AX told me:

She basically is saying “"now we have the parts to make a newly repaired 02 and to enable 08 to use Overlapping”
which is an unexplained proper noun
it was capitalized in the Dansub

I can't make out the full line, but I do hear これで、二個一弐号機の新造とオーヴァーラップに(...)8号機(...)改造ができるね. They're not talking about Eva-02 being cannibalized, I don't think, but about restoring Eva-02 by cannibalizing the stuff in France. This whole "overlap" thing gives me a very, very bad feeling...

Also, I *think* Mari calls Sumire "Nagara-petite" in Japanese. It feels weird trying to translate this to anything, IMO, but not knowing any real French I dunno if it's weirder leaving it like that. :P

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Re: "EVANGELION:3.0+1.0 AVANT 1 (from beginning to 10:40) Version 0706" discussion and prediction thread

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Postby Marynou_penguin » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:34 am

The Khara translation is word for word what we got in French. Deputy Commander becomes Commandant en second which means he's the second commander, ergo the one who replaced the original commander in case things go awry. Vice commander still stands in my opinion but who knows?

Eva 02 : it may be it's about cannibalising France, I'm not sure? It really sounds like it's been eaten to me. As for Unit 08 I thi k "overlap" is English for "merging" or something: either stacking stuff or putting two people into it. We can't know yet as, well, it's engrish.

I heard "nagara-chi" and not "petite" on my cam. Exactly どうぞうよろしくながらち

My own camshot of the 10:40mn :
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z9dQUcSOD4

Should I go on with part 1?

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Postby BlueBasilisk » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:38 am

I think this Avant finally opened the door on some of 3.0's outstanding mysteries and on the nature of the post-Third Impact world. It feels so good to finally have some pieces dropping into place.

The L-Barrier seems strongest near the ground and weakens with altitude. Wunder must not be able to enter it safely even with the AT Field. Misato kept it really high up in the air even though its heavy firepower would have been really useful in destroying those Evas and she didn't bring it down until Ritsuko gave the all clear on the air being purified. Some of their equipment was starting to corrode near the end of the operation and they never go down to ground level.

That must also be why Nerv HQ is floating a mile in the air: it's above the safe limits. It also doesn't seem to affect the ocean so I'm guessing Shinji, Asuka and Rei are either going to climb a mountain or put out to sea so the Lilin can rescue them, or there's restored territory somewhere within travel distance.

I'm gonna hazard a guess that Wunder's anti-grav controls either don't work or aren't safe to use on relatively small objects. Wunder had control over Unit 08 and the ships but Unit 08 had control of the lander. For a long time I've wondered why Mari rode out that crash instead of ejecting, but now it makes sense: Wille was able to recover her because she was still in Unit 08 while Asuka and the others were separated from their Evas.

Wille's mission to destroy Nerv feels a lot more fleshed out now too. To make any kind of meaningful recovery, Nerv and their Evas have to go. They've restored Paris for the moment but what happens if the Evas destroy that pillar?

These movies serve as an excellent counterpoint to EoE, demonstrating why Yui eliminating Eva tech and leaving Earth was a good thing. This nightmare scenario is the end result of that technology being allowed to flourish and mankind is so much worse off for it. Nerv's producing so many Evas that Final Impact might be necessary just to get rid of the bastards!

The black pillar being able to revert core goes a long way toward explaining how shit like the Vessel of the Adams exists and how Nerv is getting resources. If that pillar is Seele tech (and I strongly suspect it is), then they have evidently cracked the process of transmuting core into other substances. Apply that to a production facility and voila! The pillar was one of the missing pieces we've been waiting for.

As for Unit 08+2, given everything we've seen, I think Wille is going to give the two Evas some kind of gattai function so they can merge together.
Someday I hope that we'll be reunited if that is what's destined to be. Perhaps we'll discover that elusive bible. And then we will finally be free!


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