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Postby movieartman » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:12 am

View Original PostGuy Nacks wrote:socio-political commentary.

Through the lens of a Trek fan, epic space battles are not a requirement for a satisfying Star Trek experience. Quentin Tarantino could literally have his script be a 90-minute courtroom drama about an issue involving the Prime Directive and make it for less than $60 million, and fans would be FINE with that.

While I like the JJ timeline films, I think Undiscovered Country got the balance of mainstream action mixed with "calm" intelligent tense drama perfectly. Loved the political murder mystery aspect of that film. (it's my favorite trek film for the record, more then Khan even)

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Postby Chuckman » Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:10 pm

The beat Star Trek films are the ones that are another genre IN SPACE. The bad ones are the navel gazing shit or continuity porn.
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Postby Guy Nacks » Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:24 pm

II is often heralded as the best ST film, and it inarguably saved the entire franchise, but tbh over the past decade, VI has become my favorite as well. It's not just a well-crafted film in its own right, but it's a perfect ending to the TOS-era. It's the anti-Nemesis.
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Postby Chuckman » Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:50 am

I would agree that the charming bombast of II and the expertly craft fin-de-siécle Cold War suspense of VI are at least on equal footing.

V would be a sci-fi classic if it did the concept justice instead of looking like William Shatnwr directed it in his backyard from a screen play he scribbled on the back of an Olive Garden napkin.
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Postby Guy Nacks » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:26 am

View Original PostChuckman wrote:V would be a sci-fi classic if it did the concept justice instead of looking like William Shatnwr directed it in his backyard from a screen play he scribbled on the back of an Olive Garden napkin.


Shatner obviously hired the wrong screenwriter to adapt his story concept, that much is a given. But, to be fair, the film had the misfortune to be made at the wrong time from a production standpoint. All of the premier special effects houses were already booked working on Last Crusade and Ghostbusters II, so he had to use some low-rent outlet in Hoboken. The story excecution is very flawed but the sheer mediocrity (and sometimes outright terribleness) of the special effects in that film are glaringly harmful.
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Postby Chuckman » Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:15 pm

Are you serious about the Hoboken thing? Why is there an effects studio in Hoboken?
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Postby Guy Nacks » Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:29 pm

View Original PostChuckman wrote:Are you serious about the Hoboken thing? Why is there an effects studio in Hoboken?


Sure am. I own Shatner’s Star Trek Movie Memories and the section on V is easily the longest since he directed that film.

He found a guy named Bran Ferren who had a small effects shop in Hoboken, N. J. , which Shatner notes is a place only notable for being the birthplace of Frank Sinatra and really good homemade mozzarella.
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Postby DarkBluePhoenix » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:18 pm

View Original PostChuckman wrote:Shit, mainstreaming Star Wars for a mass audience isn't even working.

Design by committee makes it very hard to make something worthwhile in the end.

The other problem, which you will note as common to both Star-something franchises, is J. J. Abrams.

For these reasons and the others you listed out I'm glad Hollywood (and Abrams) haven't turned their attention toward Stargate or Babylon 5, because I'm sure they would find a handy way of ruining those franchises too. The point of any movie (or any media really) in a specific genre is that it should be targeted to those interested in that genre and if the concept gains wider appeal through clever marketing, so be it. Creating a film based on an established franchise for any genre that is aimed at the general public takes away the soul of that franchise, especially with sci-fi. The thing that makes a sci-fi series unique and special is stripped away when dumbing it down for the masses to enjoy.
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Postby silvermoonlight » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:05 am

View Original PostChuckman wrote:Shit, mainstreaming Star Wars for a mass audience isn't even working.

Design by committee makes it very hard to make something worthwhile in the end.

The other problem, which you will note as common to both Star-something franchises, is J. J. Abrams.


I agree with this plus its just one franchise after another getting trashed now, predator, Jurassic world, star wars and for the first time ever when I heard there was a new ghostbusters coming I didn't cheer I felt instead wary and just thought I don't want another reboot of this...because the people who keep doing these movies don't have a genuine love for them all they do is look at them through a narrow lens of what they thought they were watching as children and get the context wrong nine times out of ten.
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Postby Chuckman » Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:00 pm

The Ghostbusters revival is being directed by Ivan Reitman's son, so there's that at least.
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