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Postby movieartman » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:56 pm

Glass full trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95ghQs5AmNk

Haven't seen Split yet but this looks like a great follow up for Unbreakable.

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Postby movieartman » Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:43 pm

Shazam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go6GEIrcvFY
Meh...

Aquaman
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDkg3h8PCVU
Gorgeous. CGI looks like a notable improvement over previous Dceu Film & I say that as someone who was more forgiving then others on Doomsday\Steppenwolf's renderings.
Tone looks about perfect. Manta looks perfect.

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Postby Chuckman » Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:13 pm

View Original Postmovieartman wrote:Shazam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go6GEIrcvFY
Meh...


A kid being a superhero that actually acts like a superhero. Bright colors. Costume right from the comic. Ironic tone.

Aquaman
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDkg3h8PCVU
Gorgeous. CGI looks like a notable improvement over previous Dceu Film & I say that as someone who was more forgiving then others on Doomsday\Steppenwolf's renderings.
Tone looks about perfect. Manta looks perfect.


IT'S DARK IT'S RAINING AND MY PARENTS ARE DEAAAAD

(Actually it doesn't look that bad but seriously did they have to lead with that? Also I hope that narration is not in the movie and redheaded love interest lady spends most of it in civvies and not that absurd outfit. You'd think Atlanteans of all people would invent clothes that don't shrink in the wash.)

Oh wait, it has people riding sharks into battle. All is forgiven.

Edit: Also in case someone is confused, I'm not calling out Meera's outfit for being skintight and form fitting. I'm calling it out for the boob cutout that looks dumb and the fact that it just looks so tight she wouldn't be able to breathe. There are lots of equally form fitting/revealing costumes in these movies that look fine. It's not a bad idea it's poor execution.
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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:25 pm

Aquaman looks like over produced garbage. Will probably open big & then drop like a stone when people decide to go see good movies over the Christmas holidays.

Shazam actually looks enjoyable & good be a surprise winner like Wonder Woman.

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Postby Chuckman » Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:59 pm

Yeah but the dudes ride sharks. BvS would have been redeemed hat Batman ridden a shark into battle.

I'd be skeptical about opening big and dropping off. I think Solo might be a trend setter as far as it comes to these brands. People aren't trusting of them and that trailer... well just like I said, it's dark, raining, and my parents are dead. Plus I expect that the Internet and every blog and critic will be frothing at the mouth to denounce it, and that did hurt Solo. I'd bet my bottom dollar that at least one film critic is scribbling fish puns for their epic teardown of Aquaman already.

Wonder Woman had a lot going for her. She'd never had a movie before, but is a well known character. Most people are probably familiar with her in some form without reading comic books. It was film helmed by a woman with an all star cast of well known actresses. Wonder Woman was the only part of Batman vs Superman that people came out of the theater hoping to see more of.

Aquaman... is the guy that talks to fish. They already fucking mocked the fish telepathy power in his debut movie. He's a joke character and the only appeal this movie has is that the leads are both smoking hot.

I have to say I'm not expecting it to be very good and I'm not going to bother with opening night or anything. I'll movie pass it a couple of weeks later.
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Postby movieartman » Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:44 pm

View Original PostChuckman wrote:1- well just like I said, it's dark, raining, and my parents are dead.

2 - Aquaman... is the guy that talks to fish. They already fucking mocked the fish telepathy power in his debut movie. He's a joke character and the only appeal this movie has is that the leads are both smoking hot.

1 - His actual dialogue was hopeful with the "life brings people together line" and his dad isn't dead. You see him in the car when the battleship is overturned by the wave and then again standing with Arthur & Mera after surviving it.

2 - I think plenty of people are wise to that being bull at this point. His highly acclaimed new 52 comic run has delivered good word of mouth and plenty of badass competent moments that have been passed around the internet for casuals to see.

Also Mera's cleavage & perfect & faithful to the comics.
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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:29 pm

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Despite Superhero movies prevalence in the theatrical market, the percentage of the general moviegoing audience that reads the comic books is at most 5%. I also think I’m being generous with that number.
Add in the audience for Justice League was a lot smaller than WB had hoped (didn’t even make $250 million domestic) the percentage of people who actually know anything about Aquaman the character is Very very small in the grand scheme of things.
Go talk to the average moviegoer on the street - not the Batman-avatared “All In” sycophants online who proclaim Batman V. Superman is a misunderstood masterpiece & demand for the “Snyder Cut” - “Who is Aquaman?” and the number one answer you’ll get is probably “He’s the due who talks to fish.” The second answer might be “It’s the joke movie from Entourage”. Third will be “It’s the movie with that guy from Games Of Thrones.” Then the fourth answer might be someone who has a vague knowledge of who the character is.

AQUAMAN is going to be a monumental uphill battle for Warner Brothers. It’s got a production budget just south of $200 million (add in the marketing budget & splits with theaters and this is probably another film that needs to make minimum $600 million worldwide to start making a profit), is based off of a character who more than any other recent comic book character in history is viewed by the public as a punchline - even WB in their Teen Titans Go! Movie (which is great bye the way!) mock the character as ridiculous - is a spinoff/sequel to a practically universally hated film - Justice League has a Rottentomatoes score of 40% & an IMDB score of 6.6 which is VERY LOW for a male friendly comic book property - and because it can’t be avoided, it doesn’t help that the movie looks a lot like a white water based knockoff of Black Panther with zero of the social insight.
AND on top of all this Aquaman is being released worldwide during the MOST competitive period of the year for movies - Aquaman opens up against Alita: Battle Angel, a Will Ferrell/John C. Reilly comedy Holmes & Watson, Transfomers spinoff Bumblebee, Disney’s Mary Poppins Returns (Disney has such confidence in the film it’s why Solo: A Star Wars Story wasn’t moved to a December release because they didn’t want to compete) AND the - I predict it’s gonna be the HUGE HIT that will play strong throughout & dominate the holidays- animated Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse will only be a week old at the time and far more family friendly.

Just saying, I hope Warner Brothers has a real bang up marketing strategy set up for Aquaman because this movie has a lot of hurdle to overcome to just break even.

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Postby silvermoonlight » Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:11 pm

Finally saw Thor Ragarock and I confess I wasn't holding out hope for this one as I found Thor Dark World painful viewing but this was way better than I thought it was going to be. Not to mention it has the rare awesome female villain who isn't a sex object and is actually fun, powerful and has real threat level. Yeah not all the humour landed for me but despite this it was still a really fun film and I think the 80's take was fun in places.

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Yes Thors little merry band apart from Lady Sif all get it here...and I hate to say that I didn't care one bit like they were fun in the first Thor film but were dead weight by the second. My only nit pick from the whole film is I wish Thors first line to Valkyrie had been less jokeish and more wow I remember the Valkyrie's I heard they fought in this great battle with my father against a dark force. Because the joke undermines the idea of women in real war time and makes it sound like a one off weird novelty which it isn't in real life but Hollywood is still bloody slow to get this.

I also wish they'd kept in Valkyrie's sexuality but I will say the flash back scene makes it very clear because of how its framed and implies that Valkyrie drinks because her girlfriend and lover died in front of in her battle and she's never come to terms with it and I did really like the fun reserve framing of her being utterly pissed when she captures Thor because female marvel heroes never normally get scenes like this.


Also having seen this I would really like Taika Waititi to replace Gun on Guardians Of The Galaxy 3 because in my view I think he can do a better job of the source material and maybe make Starlord a much more likeable anti hero as I've always struggled with Gun's version.
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Postby cyharding » Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:06 pm

^I too saw this movie a couple of weeks ago, but didn't say anything because I thought the thread regulars weren't talking about it anymore. This was the second Marvel film I've seen (the first one was Iron man in the theaters), and I thought that I would be lost becuase like the comics they're based on, they're always in the middle of something. I did enjoy the film, and was relieved that the MCU lore didn't get in the way of my enjoyment. Did I miss all the inside jokes and other minaute? Probably, but I'm not worrying about it. I wonder now what would be the next film I should watch?

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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:12 pm

After those two the only one left that matters is Black Panther. It actually has something to say & features the best villain in all the films.

Really you could ignore the rest.

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Postby movieartman » Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:20 am

I would say go back in order and watch them all. But if your determined to only watch random notable ones then all 3 Captain Americas (2 & 3 especially) & Avengers Infinity War.

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Postby Chuckman » Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:08 am

If you're not going to control the sample for your average moviegoer, a lot of them are going to remember Aquaman as the guy on Superfriends.

...who talks to fish.
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Postby Tokpile Quohog » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:43 am

My perspective on Aquaman changed after the justice league cartoon. Dude cut off his own hand to save his kid and got a sick harpoon gun prosthetic.

EDIT: shitty fanboys chased the starfire actor off instagram or whatever social media platform with racist junk. Seriously, comic book fandom has so many shitty members.
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Postby silvermoonlight » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:00 pm

View Original PostTokpile Quohog wrote:My perspective on Aquaman changed after the justice league cartoon. Dude cut off his own hand to save his kid and got a sick harpoon gun prosthetic.

EDIT: shitty fanboys chased the starfire actor off instagram or whatever social media platform with racist junk. Seriously, comic book fandom has so many shitty members.


And people wonder why I hate Twitter and Tumblr so much.... :irked:

The only problem I had with the Aquaman trailer was the over use of CGI and I feel like its trying to do a LOTR battle at the end and you have to very good to pull that off in CGI its why the Battle for helm's deep works because its still grounded in some sense of reality but I just wonder if people are just gonna look at Shark and Sea Horse Riders and big fish and just start laughing because its just so out there...like it wouldn't be the first time I've had that happen I still remember a friend dragging me to see Battlefeild Earth and just cracking up in the cinema.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:31 pm

View Original PostTokpile Quohog wrote:EDIT: shitty fanboys chased the starfire actor off instagram or whatever social media platform with racist junk. Seriously, comic book fandom has so many shitty members.

Like, the whole idea of the new Teen Titans movie looks really bad, I cannot deny this, but why do the fanboys always have to use the black girl as the scape goat for all of that and drive her away from online forums that behave like public spaces? If studios acted according to the fans' presumed interests, they'd simply remedy the issue by making an equally bad movie over stuffed with white people.

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Postby silvermoonlight » Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:38 pm

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:Like, the whole idea of the new Teen Titans movie looks really bad, I cannot deny this, but why do the fanboys always have to use the black girl as the scape goat for all of that and drive her away from online forums that behave like public spaces? If studios acted according to the fans' presumed interests, they'd simply remedy the issue by making an equally bad movie over stuffed with white people.


That's a really good point its like that old saying don't blame the player, blame the game, so these people should be targeting the studio and directors not the actors in anyway as its not there fault there clearly all unknowns who are trying to pay the bills and put food on the table and attacking the woman of colour does not make you look cool it makes you look like a racist prat.
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Postby Chuckman » Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:31 pm

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:Like, the whole idea of the new Teen Titans movie looks really bad, I cannot deny this, but why do the fanboys always have to use the black girl as the scape goat for all of that and drive her away from online forums that behave like public spaces? If studios acted according to the fans' presumed interests, they'd simply remedy the issue by making an equally bad movie over stuffed with white people.


Because they are racists.

A person who complains about an alien in a movie being portrayed by a black actor is racist. They don't even have the "the character his historically white" canard to fall back on. The character is an orange alien from a race of people that come in multiple colors anyway (if I remember right, doesn't Blackfire have radically different coloring?)
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Postby silvermoonlight » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:11 pm

View Original PostChuckman wrote:Because they are racists.

A person who complains about an alien in a movie being portrayed by a black actor is racist. They don't even have the "the character his historically white" canard to fall back on. The character is an orange alien from a race of people that come in multiple colors anyway (if I remember right, doesn't Blackfire have radically different coloring?)


In the comics at least Firestar's skin is orange and Raven's is close to white/grey skin as there both meant to look over worldly also add to that Beast Boy is green and furry and Cyborg is a man a colour so the only canon white guy is Robin. So to make the whole this character should white argument looks so stupid, because if you read between the lines the comic creators wanted the team as deeply diverse and from all walks of life.

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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:29 am

Not gonna lie, but I kinda hope that Disney rehires James Gunn. It'd be nice to see them fully believe in that "Creep Redeems Himself" arc that they've been producing Gunn's creative leadership in the Guardians movies.

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Postby Chuckman » Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:41 pm

Having learned the details of why and how he was fired, I hope they rehire him, too.
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