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Postby Chuckman » Sat May 05, 2018 1:13 pm

I thought the humor elevates Thor above "bland Superman with a hammer" and Ragnarok is clearly the best Thor movie. The first two are... limp. They have no personality. The other solo hero franchises all have some kind of a feel to them, though how prominent it is varies by degree. Thor, up to this point, didn't have any and they didn't play to Hemsworth's strengths other than being a hot slab of man meat.

I loved the take Waititi took on the material. It makes perfect sense for Thor to be a jocular dudebro (previous scripts seem to think that "worth" = stoic and stuffy and give the Thor-side of the Cosmic Marvel universe a kind of Heavy Metal magazine feel with weird colorful wackiness. The less a sci-fantasy movie set in space tries to look or feel realistic, the better.

I liked how Banner was just lost on the alien planet. He basically woke up there in a wrecked ship with his banged up colleague telling him he's been hibernating in a giant green monster for two years, oh and they're on a crazy alien planet where everything can kill him.

I thoroughly agree that Goldblum was criminally underused. It's a shame that Marvel had an opportunity to give us Jeff Goldblum (peace be upon him) don a power armor pimp suit and fight the Hulk and they didn't do it.

Also, Goldblum would make an idea Lex Luthor, channeling a bit of Steve Jobs instead of Mark Zuckerberg doing a bad Joker impression.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Mon May 07, 2018 5:46 am

I finally saw Avengers 3: The Avengening. I'm gonna write with a spoiler-free goal only because I feel like the narrative beats that are usually consider spoilers aren't in any way indicative of the film's actual quality, so it would be a waste of time to really dwell on it. (That, and you've most likely seen these exact same narrative beats in the other Marvel movies, so who cares, right?)

Not only did I like the movie, but I like the feelings that lingered with me long after the movie finished, and that's rare for a Marvel movie. I like how the movie makes me feel right now, and it's been a whole 12 hours since I've seen it. (Usually the "feels" I get from one of the better Marvel movies will only last about 2 hours with me.) The movie's really good despite the rather standard aesthetic cultivated by the Russo Brothers. In fact, I think their attention to script and narrative detail over visual detail is partially what keeps the movie from becoming a clusterfuck of over-the-top nonsense.

The real reason to watch the movie is Thanos, actually. All of the other characters have already been established in their other movies, so they're kinda just along for the ride. There's no real development beyond what they've already been through prior to this film, and the film's entire attention to character arcs is focused primarily on Thanos himself. It's a movie about the villain, and, while DC's non-EU film like The Dark Knight make better movies that just so happen to showcase a villain's destructive nature (DC Batman is known for having "Better Villains™," after all), they really don't get anywhere close to the quasi character-study approach for their villains as is adopted by this particular Marvel for Thanos. (I say "quasi" because, while MIW's attention Thanos' character is more than suitable for a superhero popcorn flick, it still isn't anywhere the level of actual character-studies are in film. This isn't really a point I'm making against the quality of the film itself, I just thought it an important distinction to make between narrative approaches.)

That all being said, I do have to wonder what this film would look like to someone who hasn't seen very many Marvel movies. I remember watching Civil War and experiencing the film just revealing this weird dude in a white van with absolutely no explanation or introduction. I was completely confused by his introduction until the movie revealed that it was that Ant-Man character from that film I heard about but never saw. (Not even to this day.) I'm not even sure how plausible it would be for a lot of people to not have seen enough Marvel movies in order to recognize the core cast members in this movie, but it would still be an interesting thing to gauge. From that perspective, you would have a movie almost entirely dedicated to the development of the villain, making the film even more about the villain from that audience member's perspective that it would have for the more education audience members. And then you would have to wait one whole year before the typical hero character would have their inevitable developments in order to progress enough in the story to defeat Thanos in the second film. As being the self-designated freaky film fan, that's an experience I covet with this movie, just out of pure curiosity.

Anyway, it's totally worth it to see this movie, though I'm not sure how much it's worth to see all of the other ones to get that much-needed character establishment for the heroes in this film. If you're out of the loop, watch as much as you can prior to this if you're up for it. If you have to skip anything, then at least don't skip The Avengers and Civil War. Instead, you can totally skip The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, Thor, Thor 2, and maybe even Avengers 2 (possibly?), because they are entirely unimportant, not only to Marvel, but they're also unimportant to filmmaking as a whole. Everything else is fair game, more or less. (Though, I would personally highlight Guardians 2 and Thor Ragnorok on the "To Watch" list.)

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Postby AdamMalkovitch » Mon May 07, 2018 10:45 am

Big ol spoilers for both Age of Ultron and Black Panther below, folks.

So I forced myself to sit down and watch Age of Ultron last night, and I surprisingly kind of enjoyed it. The first chunk after the opening fight scene was total dogshit, it was immensely boring and slow to the point where I fell asleep multiple times. Thankfully though, once Vision came into the picture, I felt like the film did a total 180. It was still visually boring, I've just accepted that the majority of shots and colour composition in most Marvel films (with the exception of GotG/Vol2 and THOR Ragnarok), but there was so much more well choreographed action and a fast paced narrative that I was enthralled. Although, I suppose a lot of that is due to the badass imagery of the titanic floating city in act III, gave me major Angel Island vibes, and I had totally forgotten about that fucking rad as hell flying SHIELD aircraft carrier until it appeared again during the climax.
I do feel like Ultron, definitely NOT a mutant X-Men quick guy with silver hair, and his sister weren't developed enough, and I also started to notice a trend in the setup of this film and a ton of other Tony-centric narratives (Tony is a self-righteous douchebag, fucks something up, Avengers have to fix it), but I was able to ignore that because the rest of the film was so enjoyable to me.
I'll probably give this another watch at some point so I can see what I missed during act I while I was snoozin'.

I suppose I should also mention my experience with Black Panther a few weeks or months back. It was the first movie I watched in theatres using my own money, and I thought it was pretty good. The conveyance of Killmonger's dad being the one who was murdered by Wakanda's previous king was done very poorly, but I liked that there was sort of a Rose Quartz & Bismuth spin on it. The character development was kinda nonexistent all around, but I enjoyed the concept and the majority of the execution so much that I really didn't care. The CG was surprisingly shitty this time around, sure environments looked great, they always do, but anything organic just looked like total garbage (have you seen them fuckin PS2 lookin rhinos?). Overall, I think the best thing about this film is the soundtrack. I LOVE how it combines traditional African sounds with orchestra and techno, it just works really well and is super refreshing to hear, especially since the majority of OSTs in these films is just generic, forgettable orchestra noises. Don't get me wrong, I adore well orchestrated music, but this shit is like Rise of Lyric level boring most of the time. My favorite sequences were the car chase after the casino brawl, and the final battle between T'Challa and Killmonger, followed by Killmonger's fitting, almost artistic death.
I enjoyed this film, I thought it was well made for the most part. I'd say it was worthy of my first self-paid theatre film, but definitely NOT a 100% rating. Seriously, Rotten Tomatoes has lost all credibility in my mind, that seemed to be a really virtue signalling move.
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Postby Chuckman » Mon May 07, 2018 12:52 pm

I have to agree on Ultron. Actually, you named the only three Marvel movies I've never felt a need to watch a second time.

Which is funny, because Thor 2 and Iron Man 2 have my favorite sight gag (Thor hanging Mjolnir on a coat hook) and Iron Man suit up sequence of all the movies.

Ultron just annoys me because I wanted to like it but it leans into Joss Whedon's Avengers so hard and I don't care about the studio meddling, they didn't force a lame beauty and the beast plotline or Whedon shoehorning in his sterile murder ballerina fetish and discarding Black Widow's characterization from the Cap solo movies.

I still think the Marvel movies have hit the best of both worlds when it comes to continuity; this big serialized story allows a movie like this with something like 20 people in an ensemble cast and time to develop a compelling antagonist, but they also discard and gloss over mistakes and don't feel bound to make whole movies laboring over them, i.e. Batman vs. Superman: Superman Wrecked Metropolis and We Made a Movie Harping On It.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Tue May 08, 2018 5:18 am

View Original PostAdamMalkovitch wrote:I enjoyed this film, I thought it was well made for the most part. I'd say it was worthy of my first self-paid theatre film, but definitely NOT a 100% rating. Seriously, Rotten Tomatoes has lost all credibility in my mind, that seemed to be a really virtue signalling move.

So, Rotton Tomatoes doesn’t actually write movie reviews. They simply compile all of the movie reviews from both critics and audiences and give you the average rating in each category. As a result, a 100% movie score doesn’t indicate a “perfect movie,” rather only that 100% of either critics or audiences reporting enjoying the film. It should be read more as a prediction of how much you might also enjoy the film, kinda like a weather forecast. When the Weather Channel puts a “100%” on the screen for rain, it isn’t promising a perfect rain storm. Rather, it’s just predicting the likelihood of it raining in your area. Same thing’s true with RT. It’s not a score indicating quality, rather a prediction of the film’s enjoyability. RT predicted a 100% chance that you would enjoy Black Panther, and, as it turns out, it was right.

If there is any virtue signaling going on, then it’s on the part of the critics or audience members ranking the film, and not on the site’s calculation of score averages based on those rankings. But, for me, all of these Marvel movies have been so over-hyped by both critics and audiences that I couldn’t even distinguish between the two anyway.

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Postby AdamMalkovitch » Tue May 08, 2018 9:37 am

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:So, Rotton Tomatoes doesn’t actually write movie reviews. They simply compile all of the movie reviews from both critics and audiences and give you the average rating in each category. As a result, a 100% movie score doesn’t indicate a “perfect movie,” rather only that 100% of either critics or audiences reporting enjoying the film. It should be read more as a prediction of how much you might also enjoy the film, kinda like a weather forecast. When the Weather Channel puts a “100%” on the screen for rain, it isn’t promising a perfect rain storm. Rather, it’s just predicting the likelihood of it raining in your area. Same thing’s true with RT. It’s not a score indicating quality, rather a prediction of the film’s enjoyability. RT predicted a 100% chance that you would enjoy Black Panther, and, as it turns out, it was right.

If there is any virtue signaling going on, then it’s on the part of the critics or audience members ranking the film, and not on the site’s calculation of score averages based on those rankings. But, for me, all of these Marvel movies have been so over-hyped by both critics and audiences that I couldn’t even distinguish between the two anyway.

I figured, it's definitely got a Metacritic feel to it. I'm glad I decided to try it though, it made me realize to stop childishly judging the majority of mainstream films as "corporate assembled commercials with no artistic intent". For the first time ever, I'm excited to see Infinity War when it comes to RedBox or one of the few remaining dollar theatres in my area. Even though most of the deaths have been spoiled for me, I'm still intrigued to watch it myself.
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Postby Chuckman » Tue May 08, 2018 4:37 pm

If you can’t find meaning in a film the problem isn’t the film, unless that film is part of the Hobbit Trilogy. I’m giving everyone a pass on that one.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Tue May 08, 2018 5:48 pm

^ The true meaning of The Hobbot Trilogy is “Make sure you let a Hollywood studio meddle in the governmental affairs of a sovereign nation so that way freelance negotiations can be legally undercut by the studio to ensure maximum profit for a foreign company.”

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Postby Chuckman » Tue May 08, 2018 7:40 pm

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:^ The true meaning of The Hobbot Trilogy is “Make sure you let a Hollywood studio meddle in the governmental affairs of a sovereign nation so that way freelance negotiations can be legally undercut by the studio to ensure maximum profit for a foreign company.”


“If you don’t want a love triangle for your elf character who has been explicitly added to diversify a novel that has an entirely male cast, get that shit in the contract

I genuinely feel bad about Evangeline Lilly. Imagine you take a role in a beloved story where you get to be the new Legolas and then they do that to you.
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Postby soul.assassin » Wed May 09, 2018 6:51 am

Ok, so finally I got to watch.

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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Wed May 09, 2018 7:27 pm

BUT THAT'S WHAT MADE IT SO UNEXPECTEDLY ENJOYABLE.

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Postby movieartman » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:31 pm

Full trailer for Spider-Man Into the Spider-Verse.
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Liking the look of this a lot. Animation is a bit jerky for my taste at times but I like the artstyle. Especially the flipping between 3D & 2D. Pleased to see a older Peter. Smart contrast from the young one we are getting in the Mcu.

First photos from Wonder Woman 1984 (that is confirmed to be the official title), confirms Steve Trevor's return (unclear if time travel/resurrected or a illusion)
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Postby El Squibbonator » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:06 am

I'm looking forward to Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse. Judging from the trailers, it's a straight-up animated superhero action movie, as opposed to a comedic take on the genre. Do you guys have any idea how rare that is (in theaters, at least)?
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Postby movieartman » Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:55 pm

Bunch of Aquaman pics & art. Including a very faithful Black Manta. Likely/hopefully a prototype helmet as it looks a bit cheap.
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Postby movieartman » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:08 pm

Been a long time since I watched the Rami films. Was kinda indifferent to them. Never seen the Garfield films (despite liking the look & tone of the trailers for ASM1 a lot & The Lizard being among my favorite Marvel villains)
Meant to watch them all before seeing Homecoming & Infinity War but time got away from me so I skipped them for now.

Spider-Man - Homecoming (2017)
- Liked a lot more then I expected. This may change when I get around to re watching them but right now I like it more then any of the Rami films. Absolutely like Holland more then Maguire.
- None of the high school stuff was awkward or grating as I feared.
- Vulture wasn't quite as sympathetic as I had been led to believe but still solid. Didn't like him murdering the 1st Shocker.

Avengers - Infinity War (2018)
- Brolin & Hemsworth were acting their asses off in this, like damn.
- Very pleased with how much screentime & big moments Thor got. Loved the entire forge sequence.
- CGI for the Wakanda battle scenes were much better then those from Panther's stand alone film.
- The Russos juggling of characters & making sure they all feel like they get their fair screen time remains astonishing. Cap is the only big name character who feels like he should have got a bit more.
- As a big fan of Hickman's Avengers run which birthed them I appreciated the use of the Black Order, Maw in particular works well, his voice seemed out of place at first but grew on me a lot.

Some nitpicks...
- Wish Thor kept the eyepatch.
- Loved Hulk getting his ass kicked but him being afraid to come out was a bit much.
- Midnight & Corvus were defeated a bit too easily in the train station. Widow/Falcon shouldn't stand a chance against them. (In the comics Proxima strangled Zarda a Wonder Woman analogue to death with her bare hands, Corvus sliced open Hyperion's shoulder & together they brought the Hulk to his knees)

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Postby Chuckman » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:57 pm

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Postby movieartman » Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:31 am

Aquaman Den of Geek cover revealing more of the cast...
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Looking great.

Kate Kane / Batwoman (possibly my favorite female comic character) is getting her own TV show............................. on the CW :deskbang: :raincloud:

She deserves so much better then what they can offer. She should be getting the Netflix Daredevil Season 1 treatment.

The official description of the series mentions nothing about the prevelant supernatural aspects of her books which would have been a great way to differentiate this series from Flash, Arrow, Supergirl & Gotham & maybe put it more in line with the Constantine series.

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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:57 pm

I’m expecting Thor 3 levels of atmosphere and character building out of Aquaman, or it can just not even bother.

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Postby silvermoonlight » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:32 pm

View Original Postmovieartman wrote:The official description of the series mentions nothing about the prevelant supernatural aspects of her books which would have been a great way to differentiate this series from Flash, Arrow, Supergirl & Gotham & maybe put it more in line with the Constantine series.


I have to agree with that plus there hamming up hey look we are gonna give you, your first gay lead (Like ignoring that Xena existed way before this and she was bi) or that Lost Girl tried to do this and failed because it became to much about fan service and not about characters. Like if CW can pull this off I will be impressed but time and time again a gay/bi lead falls flat because the writers ether don't get it and use it as fan service or don't talk to LGBT people about the real issues they face.
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Postby movieartman » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:54 pm

Best looks so far at Black Manta & Ocean Master.
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