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Postby riffraff11235 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:42 pm

Here's the link. Seems like they used video from the HD remasters. Also VERY spoilery.
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Postby robersora » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:51 pm

It's not new at all. This came out to promote the DVD release almost 15 years ago. This is a HD-reconstruction. There was one in HD, but that was fanmade.
They've actually hinted at this a few days ago in a Tweet... I'm a little disappointed, since I thought it would be something entirely new. But this is awesome in it's own right.
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Postby riffraff11235 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:54 pm

View Original Postrobersora wrote:It's not new at all. This came out to promote the DVD release almost 15 years ago. This is a HD-reconstruction. There was one in HD, but that was fanmade.
They've actually hinted at this a few days ago in a Tweet... I'm a little disappointed, since I thought it would be something entirely new. But this is awesome in it's own right.


Oh, I wasn't aware of that. So it's just a shot for shot remake of the old music video? I read about it yesterday in a different thread here but wasn't even sure when it was coming out.
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Postby Joseki » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:44 am

The video is interlaced and that's terrible.
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Postby robersora » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:40 am



今回の「残酷な天使のテーゼ」MVの中で
For this particular MV of A Cruel Angel's Thesis

摩砂雪監督がどうしても使いたい素材があり
Director Masayuki wanted to use the raw cuts* no matter what

大捜索しても見当たらず、
(so) they looked for them hard,

最終的に摩砂雪監督が個人保管していたテープから使った部分があります。
eventually Director Masayuki partly used a tape from personal collection.

*I don't know in which form those original's would be... in 8mm? He's referring to the stuff they've used for remastering the the show, I guess?


ネットの海を泳いでいたら、そのカットを見つけていたプロの方がいらっしゃいました!脱帽!
Surfing the web, this cut has been found thanks to the direction of a pro! hat tip!


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Postby Reichu » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:15 pm

Those Tweets are... tough. Give you an example of what I mean: the first sentence pared down to its most basic components is 「素材があり、部分があります。」Everything else revolves around this construction. Hate these damn run-ons. Here's an attempt to make slightly more sense of the initial sentence's grammar:

Within/throughout this [latest] music video of "A Cruel Angel's Thesis", there are materials [???] that Director Masayuki wanted to use no matter what. After failing to find them despite a thorough search, there's a section that was ultimately used from a tape that Director Masayuki was personally safekeeping.

This still doesn't particularly make sense, of course. (I don't know what on earth 素材 (sozai) is supposed to be referring to. The tweet seems to be implying that sozai is something that's present in the new cut of the video, but ALSO that it's something that couldn't be found, so......?????)

For second part,

ネットの海を泳いでいたら、そのカットを見つけていたプロの方がいらっしゃいました!脱帽!

ネットの海を泳いでいたら、is "If/When [implied person(s)] is/are surfing the Internet". Not sure about the rest because 方 is one of my enemies and I have no idea what it's supposed to mean here. そのカットを見つけていたプロ on its own would mean "pro(s) who found the cut".

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Postby kuribo-04 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:49 pm

I thought the new music video has yet to come out?
If it's this it's slightly disappointing since I expected something new, but whatever, I love this NGE music video.
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Postby robersora » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:00 pm

View Original PostReichu wrote: (I don't know what on earth 素材 (sozai) is supposed to be referring to. The tweet seems to be implying that sozai is something that's present in the new cut of the video, but ALSO that it's something that couldn't be found, so......?????)


sozai is referring to raw cut, materials ... like the most original version. Unfortunately I don't know the terminology, but it's the original (thus best quality) version of the music video. I'm sure they didn't mean the original 8mm (?) the series and 16mm (?) the series and movie were created on, but something more high - quality than what they've eventually uploaded.

Because as Joseki pointed out

View Original PostJoseki wrote:The video is interlaced and that's terrible.


Thus I think this tweet is an explanation, why they don't have a higher quality version.
They were looking everywhere for the most high quality version, couldn't find it, so they had to resort to this version they found in someone's personal collection. (it never says whose personal collection).
That's why the second part clarifies that someone they found on the internet pointed them into the direction whose version they ended up using.

At least that's my take on it.
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Postby The Eva Monkey » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:52 pm

View Original PostJoseki wrote:The video is interlaced and that's terrible.

It really is. Technical doofery like this makes me sad.
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Postby Reichu » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:54 pm

View Original Postrobersora wrote:sozai is referring to raw cut, materials ... like the most original version.

Do you have a reference for this, out of curiosity? None of my usual resources suggest a meaning quite like what you're suggesting (as far as I can tell). They're all more along the lines of "ingredients" or "building blocks". Sounds more like what the music video was pieced together from, as opposed to an actual finished version of the video. Japanese Wikipedia, for example, says 素材 can refer to the images and other data used for web pages and blog posts. On the video side of things, then, 素材 could feasibly refer to all of the assets someone imported into Final Cut Pro to edit together a music video from -- contrasted against the finalized uncompressed video you export when you're done. (I've only done digital video work, so that's the only kind of analogy I can provide.)

>(it never says whose personal collection).

最終的に摩砂雪監督が個人保管していたテープから使った部分があります。

The noun テープ is modified by 摩砂雪監督が個人保管していた. Put them together, and you get "tape that Director Masayuki was personally safekeeping". From your translation attempts, I get the impression that you're largely unfamiliar with this kind of Japanese grammatical construction. Here's a basic introduction to them in case it's of any use.

>That's why the second part clarifies that someone they found on the internet pointed them into the direction whose version they ended up using.

I'm not convinced the second part actually says this. Or, at least, I can't figure out a way to get it to mean what you're saying here.

It's more than a little confusing to me, since in one tweet it seems to say that part of the video came from a tape that Masayuki had, and then it says something about a "pro who found the/that cut". What is そのカット referring to, exactly? The new edit of Cruel Angel's Thesis? Why would khara2 suddenly go from talking about Masayuki's search and some tape he has, to almost tangentially bringing up some "pro who found the cut"? Does プロ even refer to a person? (I'm not 100% sure it does.) Stuff just don't make sense.

Disclaimer: My Japanese is garbage. (This is useful, however confusing, practice...)

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Postby robersora » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:41 pm

View Original PostReichu wrote:Do you have a reference for this, out of curiosity? None of my usual resources suggest a meaning quite like what you're suggesting (as far as I can tell). They're all more along the lines of "ingredients" or "building blocks". Sounds more like what the music video was pieced together from, as opposed to an actual finished version of the video. Japanese Wikipedia, for example, says 素材 can refer to the images and other data used for web pages and blog posts. On the video side of things, then, 素材 could feasibly refer to all of the assets someone imported into Final Cut Pro to edit together a music video from -- contrasted against the finalized uncompressed video you export when you're done. (I've only done digital video work, so that's the only kind of analogy I can provide.)



Yes, it was recut fashioned after the original, using those individual cuts (sozai). I'm sorry I haven't clarified this, but as I said, I don't know the correct terminology that would be used here in English.
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View Original PostReichu wrote:Disclaimer: My Japanese is garbage. (This is useful, however confusing, practice...)

My Japanese is also garbage, lol. I'm just trying to piece together what they are saying. I feel like Khara 2's tweets are generally rather confusing...
Maybe what the tweet was going to say, that Masayuki wanted to use those sozai, couldn't find them and was about to upscale a tape from his personal collection, then someone on pointed them in the right direction, so they could get a better quality product? I really don't know, Japanese's tough, lol.



>(it never says whose personal collection).

最終的に摩砂雪監督が個人保管していたテープから使った部分があります。
From your translation attempts, I get the impression that you're largely unfamiliar with this kind of Japanese grammatical construction.


oh yeah, you are correct.
I am unfamiliar with lots of Japanese grammar, lol


Man, if they could just pay someone to throw out official English translations of tweets, promo material. I get that Eva isn't huge enough, but I feel like the fanbase would be big enough to warrant that. Then again, a lot what allures me to Eva is, that even today there's always a layer of mystery behind the byzantine, clandestine practices of Khara.
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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:17 pm

The video looked fine to me, though I watched it half-asleep on my iPhone 6 this morning, so :sweatdrop:

I'm clueless on the technical know-how about this, but would it have been too painstaking a process to use the Bluray materials to recreate Masayuki's video? (Since that's not what they did, as is my understanding from this thread?)
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Postby kuribo-04 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:36 am

Actually I think the Eva fanbase is big enough (even the Me!Me!Me! Book was translated) but this particular account might not be.
It's fime trying to understand though lol.

@SSD: I think they might have intentionally preserved the old video.
Recreating the old video has actually done by a fan.
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