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Postby DarkBluePhoenix » Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:48 pm

View Original Postchazthesilencer wrote:Did anybody notice Hawkeye was missing? Me neither.

Honestly, with the amount of character saturation, if Nick Fury and a few others didn't show up, I really wouldn't have noticed.
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Postby Chuckman » Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:04 pm

I agree about his motivation. I went back an read the original Infinity Gauntlet comic and... frankly, it's terrible, even by standards of the day. Maybe I'd need more context from Thanos backstory and the lead up to it to "get it" but as a standalone story it's not very good at all and the way it's executed...

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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:01 pm

Movie was fine. Enjoyable because it never stops moving. Though I feel like A LOT of these bigger Marvel team-ups films it will lose most of its magic when/if I ever revisit it as a home viewing experience. The best thing about it is the unexpected relationships created by characters bouncing off each other. I wish the movie spent more time with just the characters interacting with one another but the plot never stops.

Ending fell flat for me though. Actually it REALLY annoyed because I know none of the “consequences” from the ending are going to stick. Like CIVIL WAR this is going to be another case where people talk about how “serious this Marvel movie is” and all the “consequences” put in place will be undone very quickly in the following movie.
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I.E. Spider-Man: Homecoming 2 starts filming this July.

Maybe I just dislike how the Russo Brothers as filmmakers seem completely devoid of a unique voice of their own & simply do the job the producers want.

Either way, it was still an enjoyable time out at the movies. Josh Brolin did great work with what little he was given, the scene with the Guardians meeting Thor was pure gold and everything with Doctor Strange worked.

It will be curious to see what’s going to happen with Ant-Man & the Wasp this summer.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:30 am

View Original PostGendo'sPapa wrote:Maybe I just dislike how the Russo Brothers as filmmakers seem completely devoid of a unique voice of their own & simply do the job the producers want.

True. The Russo Brothers are great in our technical terms. They make solid movies with a consistent tone. But there's nothing unique about their voice. With these multi-film franchises, however, I often wonder if the Auteur Theory couldn't also apply to the producer as much as it could the director to some degree. (Maybe not the theory proper, but certainly the spirit of the theory.) I mean, Kevin Feige has obviously been the one to consistently keep a specific vision in mind throughout the whole franchise, even if that vision was more or less to simply tie in all of the Marvel movies within one big universe. And we've seen this trend of producer-lead franchises before in the past, like in the cases of Godzilla, Dragonheart, and Terminator. (Though, Godzilla has been more or less a studio-lead franchise since the death of Tomoyuki Tanaka.)

I'm not defending the creative decisions made by Paul Feige in any way. I don't think his artistic vision (if there even is one that he has to begin with) is anything that's particularly interesting or anything like that. And I don't think that the finished products will be able to artistically rival the visions of certain directors. But producers tend to be just as important as directors when it comes to making sure the movie actually gets made. They're both as important as each other, just in vastly different ways. If anything, I think that the Marvel movies reminding the viewer to at least consider the producer as "the other wheel in the bicycle" while watching a movie is a good thing.

And, despite the lack of visual or artistic creativity of Paul Feige's involvement in Marvel, he's still able to run a better ship than Kathleen Kennedy's Star Wars franchise. I'm still not sure what's going on there, but every spin-off movie so far has had horrible production complications and every episode release has felt as though it's had extremely confused narratives.

The best example of a producer-lead franchise that I can think of off the top of my head is the original Star Wars movies. George Lucas being a film director as well as the producer of that trilogy helped bring as perfect of a blend of over-arching producer guidance and creative narratives choices as we've yet to see from a non-adaptive Hollywood production. (Maybe Luca's role as director of the first film disqualifies the OT from the list of producer-lead franchises, but, in my opinion, being able to do both simply makes one more qualified for the job.)

Have said all of that, I still haven't seen Infinity Wars yet. So, I'll probably pop back in after this weekend or something to chat about it.

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Postby Chuckman » Tue May 01, 2018 6:50 pm

View Original PostGendo'sPapa wrote:Ending fell flat for me though. Actually it REALLY annoyed because I know none of the “consequences” from the ending are going to stick. Like CIVIL WAR this is going to be another case where people talk about how “serious this Marvel movie is” and all the “consequences” put in place will be undone very quickly in the following movie.
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Maybe I just dislike how the Russo Brothers as filmmakers seem completely devoid of a unique voice of their own & simply do the job the producers want.


I wish more audience members would check meta knowledge like this at the door. The phrase isn't suspension of disbelief, it's willing suspension of disbelief.

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Postby movieartman » Sat May 05, 2018 6:19 am

Re-Watched almost all Mcu movies and caught up on ones I put off in time for Infinity War.

Black Panther (2018) - First Time Viewing...
- A bit overrated but still full on great, I would put it alongside the 1st Iron Man in quality.
- Jordan gives a fantastic performance & is charismatic as hell but... (and I fully admit this is personal bias) I don't find him sympathetic, he is no different then a school shooter who massacres innocent people because he was bullied, there are thousands of places in the world that are a hundred billion times worse off and yet they treat American ghetto life as some nightmare-ish atrocity that need a genocidal revolution to be free of. It's a morally reprehensible message that audiences are taking in entirely the wrong way.
- Klaw is fun but ultimately wasted in this film and in the general Mcu.
- The updated Panther suit doesn't look quite as good as his Civil War suit and makes him a bit over powered.
- Pleased with Martin Freeman's handling. Was afraid he would be degraded non stop for being the out of touch white man, I loved the moment with him and Shuri were he is looking out into the cave & railway and it dawns on her that despite his awe he is able to fully understand what he is looking at, she becomes enthusiastic to discuss it with him.
- Some of the CGI was surprisingly poor, characters getting thrown especially.

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.2 (2017) - First & 2nd Viewings...
Pros...
- Ego is a fantastic villain a much much needed improvement on Ronan who was the weak link of the otherwise superb first film.
- Score is fantastic and punctuates the emotional beats in the film almost perfectly.
- Yondu is really great & gets some of the best character work in the mcu.
- Whole 3rd act is really damn epic.

Cons...
- The Tazerface joke wasn't funny at all and was beat into the ground.
- The moment of teaching Groot how to use the nuke was beat into the ground also and was the sole weak part of the fantastic 3rd act.
- Couple very out of place bathroom humor jokes that pissed me off in my 1st viewing but upon reflection (and the much worse material in Thor 3) aren't as big a deal.

Thor - Ragnarok (2017) - First Time Viewing...
Pros...
- Hela is a fairly flat villain but is so utterly badass she makes up for it compared to Ronan/Malekith.
- Odin's send off was nicely done and despite my large amount of problems with the rest of the film I commend them for not going ahead with his original death dying as a crazed hobo in a muck ridden alley.
- Was not down on Valkyrie for them intentionally making her look nothing like the character, but Tessa kinda surprised me. Her mannerisms were fun. She gets a really well shot hand to hand fight with Loki.
- This is far from the best Loki material but he is still fun throughout the film.
- They emphasize Thor being really badass throughout the film which is a bit of fresh air compared to him being a bit neutered in the Avengers films (minus him destroying Sokovia)
- The Gladiator fight is damn good.
- Score overall is decent.

Cons...
- THIS is what I feared when I heard the original Guardians was campy before seeing it. It thankfully proved me dead wrong, this... mother of fuck I spent at the very least half this film cringing hard. The "humor" is awkward, painful, grating and downright weird.
- They had a perfect set up for a warm send off (nicely using the theme from the 1st film) and ruined it with one of the worst jokes in the entire film.
- Hulk's CGI looked notably worse then in Age of Ultron except maybe the Gladiator scene.
- Mark Ruffalo is wasted. I felt a kinda of wise dignity to him in the Avengers films. None of that is here.
- Jeff Goldblum is wasted. (I want to see him as a serious Lex Luther so much)
- Karl Urban is wasted.
- Doctor Strange cameo is blah.
- Almost all the outfits & sets on Sakaar look cheap & un-authentic as hell.

They completely spit on the potential we had for Planet Hulk & Thor's norse apocalypse stories. Fuck Taika Waititi & fuck Marvel for letting him loose on this. Gunn could have done this vastly better. This is the worst Mcu film. It has a few aspects that are better then anything in Thor Dark World & Iron man 2 but it also sadly has a bunch of stuff far worse then anything in those films.

Will watch Homecoming tomorrow. And IW later this week.

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Postby Chuckman » Sat May 05, 2018 1:13 pm

I thought the humor elevates Thor above "bland Superman with a hammer" and Ragnarok is clearly the best Thor movie. The first two are... limp. They have no personality. The other solo hero franchises all have some kind of a feel to them, though how prominent it is varies by degree. Thor, up to this point, didn't have any and they didn't play to Hemsworth's strengths other than being a hot slab of man meat.

I loved the take Waititi took on the material. It makes perfect sense for Thor to be a jocular dudebro (previous scripts seem to think that "worth" = stoic and stuffy and give the Thor-side of the Cosmic Marvel universe a kind of Heavy Metal magazine feel with weird colorful wackiness. The less a sci-fantasy movie set in space tries to look or feel realistic, the better.

I liked how Banner was just lost on the alien planet. He basically woke up there in a wrecked ship with his banged up colleague telling him he's been hibernating in a giant green monster for two years, oh and they're on a crazy alien planet where everything can kill him.

I thoroughly agree that Goldblum was criminally underused. It's a shame that Marvel had an opportunity to give us Jeff Goldblum (peace be upon him) don a power armor pimp suit and fight the Hulk and they didn't do it.

Also, Goldblum would make an idea Lex Luthor, channeling a bit of Steve Jobs instead of Mark Zuckerberg doing a bad Joker impression.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Mon May 07, 2018 5:46 am

I finally saw Avengers 3: The Avengening. I'm gonna write with a spoiler-free goal only because I feel like the narrative beats that are usually consider spoilers aren't in any way indicative of the film's actual quality, so it would be a waste of time to really dwell on it. (That, and you've most likely seen these exact same narrative beats in the other Marvel movies, so who cares, right?)

Not only did I like the movie, but I like the feelings that lingered with me long after the movie finished, and that's rare for a Marvel movie. I like how the movie makes me feel right now, and it's been a whole 12 hours since I've seen it. (Usually the "feels" I get from one of the better Marvel movies will only last about 2 hours with me.) The movie's really good despite the rather standard aesthetic cultivated by the Russo Brothers. In fact, I think their attention to script and narrative detail over visual detail is partially what keeps the movie from becoming a clusterfuck of over-the-top nonsense.

The real reason to watch the movie is Thanos, actually. All of the other characters have already been established in their other movies, so they're kinda just along for the ride. There's no real development beyond what they've already been through prior to this film, and the film's entire attention to character arcs is focused primarily on Thanos himself. It's a movie about the villain, and, while DC's non-EU film like The Dark Knight make better movies that just so happen to showcase a villain's destructive nature (DC Batman is known for having "Better Villains™," after all), they really don't get anywhere close to the quasi character-study approach for their villains as is adopted by this particular Marvel for Thanos. (I say "quasi" because, while MIW's attention Thanos' character is more than suitable for a superhero popcorn flick, it still isn't anywhere the level of actual character-studies are in film. This isn't really a point I'm making against the quality of the film itself, I just thought it an important distinction to make between narrative approaches.)

That all being said, I do have to wonder what this film would look like to someone who hasn't seen very many Marvel movies. I remember watching Civil War and experiencing the film just revealing this weird dude in a white van with absolutely no explanation or introduction. I was completely confused by his introduction until the movie revealed that it was that Ant-Man character from that film I heard about but never saw. (Not even to this day.) I'm not even sure how plausible it would be for a lot of people to not have seen enough Marvel movies in order to recognize the core cast members in this movie, but it would still be an interesting thing to gauge. From that perspective, you would have a movie almost entirely dedicated to the development of the villain, making the film even more about the villain from that audience member's perspective that it would have for the more education audience members. And then you would have to wait one whole year before the typical hero character would have their inevitable developments in order to progress enough in the story to defeat Thanos in the second film. As being the self-designated freaky film fan, that's an experience I covet with this movie, just out of pure curiosity.

Anyway, it's totally worth it to see this movie, though I'm not sure how much it's worth to see all of the other ones to get that much-needed character establishment for the heroes in this film. If you're out of the loop, watch as much as you can prior to this if you're up for it. If you have to skip anything, then at least don't skip The Avengers and Civil War. Instead, you can totally skip The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, Thor, Thor 2, and maybe even Avengers 2 (possibly?), because they are entirely unimportant, not only to Marvel, but they're also unimportant to filmmaking as a whole. Everything else is fair game, more or less. (Though, I would personally highlight Guardians 2 and Thor Ragnorok on the "To Watch" list.)

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Postby AdamMalkovitch » Mon May 07, 2018 10:45 am

Big ol spoilers for both Age of Ultron and Black Panther below, folks.

So I forced myself to sit down and watch Age of Ultron last night, and I surprisingly kind of enjoyed it. The first chunk after the opening fight scene was total dogshit, it was immensely boring and slow to the point where I fell asleep multiple times. Thankfully though, once Vision came into the picture, I felt like the film did a total 180. It was still visually boring, I've just accepted that the majority of shots and colour composition in most Marvel films (with the exception of GotG/Vol2 and THOR Ragnarok), but there was so much more well choreographed action and a fast paced narrative that I was enthralled. Although, I suppose a lot of that is due to the badass imagery of the titanic floating city in act III, gave me major Angel Island vibes, and I had totally forgotten about that fucking rad as hell flying SHIELD aircraft carrier until it appeared again during the climax.
I do feel like Ultron, definitely NOT a mutant X-Men quick guy with silver hair, and his sister weren't developed enough, and I also started to notice a trend in the setup of this film and a ton of other Tony-centric narratives (Tony is a self-righteous douchebag, fucks something up, Avengers have to fix it), but I was able to ignore that because the rest of the film was so enjoyable to me.
I'll probably give this another watch at some point so I can see what I missed during act I while I was snoozin'.

I suppose I should also mention my experience with Black Panther a few weeks or months back. It was the first movie I watched in theatres using my own money, and I thought it was pretty good. The conveyance of Killmonger's dad being the one who was murdered by Wakanda's previous king was done very poorly, but I liked that there was sort of a Rose Quartz & Bismuth spin on it. The character development was kinda nonexistent all around, but I enjoyed the concept and the majority of the execution so much that I really didn't care. The CG was surprisingly shitty this time around, sure environments looked great, they always do, but anything organic just looked like total garbage (have you seen them fuckin PS2 lookin rhinos?). Overall, I think the best thing about this film is the soundtrack. I LOVE how it combines traditional African sounds with orchestra and techno, it just works really well and is super refreshing to hear, especially since the majority of OSTs in these films is just generic, forgettable orchestra noises. Don't get me wrong, I adore well orchestrated music, but this shit is like Rise of Lyric level boring most of the time. My favorite sequences were the car chase after the casino brawl, and the final battle between T'Challa and Killmonger, followed by Killmonger's fitting, almost artistic death.
I enjoyed this film, I thought it was well made for the most part. I'd say it was worthy of my first self-paid theatre film, but definitely NOT a 100% rating. Seriously, Rotten Tomatoes has lost all credibility in my mind, that seemed to be a really virtue signalling move.
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Postby Chuckman » Mon May 07, 2018 12:52 pm

I have to agree on Ultron. Actually, you named the only three Marvel movies I've never felt a need to watch a second time.

Which is funny, because Thor 2 and Iron Man 2 have my favorite sight gag (Thor hanging Mjolnir on a coat hook) and Iron Man suit up sequence of all the movies.

Ultron just annoys me because I wanted to like it but it leans into Joss Whedon's Avengers so hard and I don't care about the studio meddling, they didn't force a lame beauty and the beast plotline or Whedon shoehorning in his sterile murder ballerina fetish and discarding Black Widow's characterization from the Cap solo movies.

I still think the Marvel movies have hit the best of both worlds when it comes to continuity; this big serialized story allows a movie like this with something like 20 people in an ensemble cast and time to develop a compelling antagonist, but they also discard and gloss over mistakes and don't feel bound to make whole movies laboring over them, i.e. Batman vs. Superman: Superman Wrecked Metropolis and We Made a Movie Harping On It.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Tue May 08, 2018 5:18 am

View Original PostAdamMalkovitch wrote:I enjoyed this film, I thought it was well made for the most part. I'd say it was worthy of my first self-paid theatre film, but definitely NOT a 100% rating. Seriously, Rotten Tomatoes has lost all credibility in my mind, that seemed to be a really virtue signalling move.

So, Rotton Tomatoes doesn’t actually write movie reviews. They simply compile all of the movie reviews from both critics and audiences and give you the average rating in each category. As a result, a 100% movie score doesn’t indicate a “perfect movie,” rather only that 100% of either critics or audiences reporting enjoying the film. It should be read more as a prediction of how much you might also enjoy the film, kinda like a weather forecast. When the Weather Channel puts a “100%” on the screen for rain, it isn’t promising a perfect rain storm. Rather, it’s just predicting the likelihood of it raining in your area. Same thing’s true with RT. It’s not a score indicating quality, rather a prediction of the film’s enjoyability. RT predicted a 100% chance that you would enjoy Black Panther, and, as it turns out, it was right.

If there is any virtue signaling going on, then it’s on the part of the critics or audience members ranking the film, and not on the site’s calculation of score averages based on those rankings. But, for me, all of these Marvel movies have been so over-hyped by both critics and audiences that I couldn’t even distinguish between the two anyway.

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Postby AdamMalkovitch » Tue May 08, 2018 9:37 am

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:So, Rotton Tomatoes doesn’t actually write movie reviews. They simply compile all of the movie reviews from both critics and audiences and give you the average rating in each category. As a result, a 100% movie score doesn’t indicate a “perfect movie,” rather only that 100% of either critics or audiences reporting enjoying the film. It should be read more as a prediction of how much you might also enjoy the film, kinda like a weather forecast. When the Weather Channel puts a “100%” on the screen for rain, it isn’t promising a perfect rain storm. Rather, it’s just predicting the likelihood of it raining in your area. Same thing’s true with RT. It’s not a score indicating quality, rather a prediction of the film’s enjoyability. RT predicted a 100% chance that you would enjoy Black Panther, and, as it turns out, it was right.

If there is any virtue signaling going on, then it’s on the part of the critics or audience members ranking the film, and not on the site’s calculation of score averages based on those rankings. But, for me, all of these Marvel movies have been so over-hyped by both critics and audiences that I couldn’t even distinguish between the two anyway.

I figured, it's definitely got a Metacritic feel to it. I'm glad I decided to try it though, it made me realize to stop childishly judging the majority of mainstream films as "corporate assembled commercials with no artistic intent". For the first time ever, I'm excited to see Infinity War when it comes to RedBox or one of the few remaining dollar theatres in my area. Even though most of the deaths have been spoiled for me, I'm still intrigued to watch it myself.
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Postby Chuckman » Tue May 08, 2018 4:37 pm

If you can’t find meaning in a film the problem isn’t the film, unless that film is part of the Hobbit Trilogy. I’m giving everyone a pass on that one.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Tue May 08, 2018 5:48 pm

^ The true meaning of The Hobbot Trilogy is “Make sure you let a Hollywood studio meddle in the governmental affairs of a sovereign nation so that way freelance negotiations can be legally undercut by the studio to ensure maximum profit for a foreign company.”

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Postby Chuckman » Tue May 08, 2018 7:40 pm

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:^ The true meaning of The Hobbot Trilogy is “Make sure you let a Hollywood studio meddle in the governmental affairs of a sovereign nation so that way freelance negotiations can be legally undercut by the studio to ensure maximum profit for a foreign company.”


“If you don’t want a love triangle for your elf character who has been explicitly added to diversify a novel that has an entirely male cast, get that shit in the contract

I genuinely feel bad about Evangeline Lilly. Imagine you take a role in a beloved story where you get to be the new Legolas and then they do that to you.
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Postby soul.assassin » Wed May 09, 2018 6:51 am

Ok, so finally I got to watch.

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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Wed May 09, 2018 7:27 pm

BUT THAT'S WHAT MADE IT SO UNEXPECTEDLY ENJOYABLE.

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Postby movieartman » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:31 pm

Full trailer for Spider-Man Into the Spider-Verse.
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Liking the look of this a lot. Animation is a bit jerky for my taste at times but I like the artstyle. Especially the flipping between 3D & 2D. Pleased to see a older Peter. Smart contrast from the young one we are getting in the Mcu.

First photos from Wonder Woman 1984 (that is confirmed to be the official title), confirms Steve Trevor's return (unclear if time travel/resurrected or a illusion)
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Re: Superhero/Comic Based Films & Tv - Vol.2

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Postby El Squibbonator » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:06 am

I'm looking forward to Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse. Judging from the trailers, it's a straight-up animated superhero action movie, as opposed to a comedic take on the genre. Do you guys have any idea how rare that is (in theaters, at least)?
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