What You Did NOT Like About Evangelion

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Postby ACGT-Samael » Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:29 am

View Original Postkuribo-04 wrote:∆ That's even addressed in EoE, where Shinji wonders how he is supposed to know anything if she never tells him.


That it is, though that just highlights how much that approach to social interaction only serves to drive a wedge between people.

Incidentally, you just brought up one of my issues with the series, that being the fact it brings up the genetic similarities between Lilim and the Angels and then never brings it up again. End got tasked with resolving that plot point (and quite a few others), but because of the short run time and the fact End has its own plot to address it's simply answered in a line of exposition from Misato.

Initially I just chalked that up to the series' production trouble, but even then I eventually went "Wait... How do you know that?" And yes, I know she read it from the files, but that only shifts the question to "How and when did NERF figure this out." If being that genetically similar is enough to be called human, chimpanzees are also human.

As an aside, the revelation that the Angels are human is a great twist for shining a spotlight on the concept of the Other, but Misato thus labelling the Lilin as an Angel results in the two terms meaning exactly the same thing, which is less a problem with the series and more a headache in trying to discuss it.

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Postby kuribo-04 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:11 am

I saw it as Angels being, metaphorically, more primitive humans.
But just as us, they want to return to "the womb", and also feel alone/afraid.
I hadn't thought about it, you are right that EoE really abandons the Angel idea, but I wonder if Anno felt all was said.
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Postby DarkBluePhoenix » Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:21 pm

It really was a shame that it was never expanded on and really made a point of through the series, like it should have been something Kaworu revealed to Shinji before he was crushed to death.
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Postby ZQFMGB » Thu May 31, 2018 6:04 am

The things I don't like are mostly in EoE. Shinji doing nothing most of the time, even after Misato's death, was really annoying, the exposition monologues were cheap and clumsy IMO and I don't know how I'm supposed to think as the ending as a "hopeful" one. Other than that, I'm not a big fan of the Magmadiver episode, and I think the religious stuff could've been exploited better than just look cool. Also, I wanted Unit 00 to kick more Angelic a**es, but that's just because I'm a big fanboy of it.
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Postby kuribo-04 » Thu May 31, 2018 8:26 am

∆ Shinji really can't do anything when he reaches Eva-01 because of the bakelite and everyone being dead.

And the ending you are allowed to see as happy, sad or whatever you want. It is left to the viewer.
I see it as positive, yet realistic.
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Postby ZQFMGB » Thu May 31, 2018 9:34 am

Good point, I forgot about the bakelite. As for the ending, well it's a matter of taste.
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