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Postby Blockio » Wed May 02, 2018 12:20 pm

View Original PostBlueBasilisk wrote:Oh, that. Apparently the peg-leg is an intentional design choice as part of Unit 00's new sniper set-up. It's supposed to act as a shock absorber and a brace when it's firing.

This is the biggest load of bs I have heard in a long time :facepalm:

First of all, the thing that Unit 00 carries is a laser weapon, and last time I checked, those dont even have recoil to begin with, second, if the recoil is so massive why doesnt it have a muzzle brake, and third, all that having a sniper standing and then rocking back onto some flimsy construction that will most likely have the Eva tipping over even when walking will do is making the Eva have trouble hitting the broadside of a battleship at point blank range
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Postby BlueBasilisk » Wed May 02, 2018 2:09 pm

I agree that it's a heinous design and pretty stupid to boot. If it makes you feel better, Unit 00 gets upgraded with a much more practical leg later in the story:
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Postby DarkBluePhoenix » Wed May 02, 2018 6:45 pm

^ So Unit-00 is a semi-stationary artillery piece. That sort of limits Rei's effectiveness to suppressing fire, that does seem a bit stupid tactically speaking, not to mention putting Rei on the back burner (:| And the Centaur/Pegasus thing seems like a rip from G Gundam IMO. And it can seriously get to space...? Man, I hope they do translate this, maybe it'll make more sense in context.
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Postby Reichu » Wed May 02, 2018 7:43 pm

View Original PostBlueBasilisk wrote:If it makes you feel better, Unit 00 gets upgraded with a much more practical leg later in the story

Any improvement in the prosthetic right leg is immediately, violently offset by the sheer stupidity of the Allegorica (or whatever that centaur ass attachment is called).

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Postby MarqFJA87 » Wed May 02, 2018 9:48 pm

View Original PostReichu wrote:Any improvement in the prosthetic right leg is immediately, violently offset by the sheer stupidity of the Allegorica (or whatever that centaur ass attachment is called).

I can confirm that the katakana at the end of the Japanese name does say "Allegorica".
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Postby DarkBluePhoenix » Wed May 02, 2018 11:13 pm

View Original PostReichu wrote:Any improvement in the prosthetic right leg is immediately, violently offset by the sheer stupidity of the Allegorica (or whatever that centaur ass attachment is called).

It may as well be called bullshit :nyao:
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Postby Reichu » Wed May 02, 2018 11:44 pm

View Original PostMarqFJA87 wrote:I can confirm that the katakana at the end of the Japanese name does say "Allegorica".

The whole caption reads "F-Type Eva-00 Allegorica". Overcoming my laziness and actually pulling out the Visual Book, the centaur attachment appears to be called the Allegorica Unit (アレゴリカユニット).

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Postby Blockio » Thu May 03, 2018 12:08 pm

They should have just stopped with the designs at some point... the F-Type on Units 01 and 02 makes some sense design-wise, if not in the role these configurations are deployed in, but anything beyond that is just plain ridiculous. And lets not even talk about the abominations that are the so-called weapons wielded by the Nerv Japan Units... the A.W. Mastema, Angel Spine and the Unit 00 F-Type sniper-thingie hurt my brain
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Postby Reichu » Thu May 03, 2018 6:10 pm

Anima would have made far more sense either as an original property, or as a spin-off with its own rules and sensibilities. Positing it as a continuation creates far too much dissonance and it just doesn't work. Yamashita is clearly an inventive guy, but the way that Anima's resemblances to NGE appear superficial at best is the main reason I can't be arsed to get interested in it. If the premise had only been a little different, that problem could have been completely avoided. Other unofficial Eva properties have no qualms about being alternate universes, so why does THIS one have to be a direct sequel? :facepalm:

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Postby BlueBasilisk » Thu May 03, 2018 6:44 pm

The way I see it, it has to be an AU. Third Impact happened in the canon timeline and the F-type armor didn't exist. It's just very close to the canon timeline up til that point. :nyao:

In all seriousness I think it works best as a sequel to Evangelion 2.
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Postby Reichu » Thu May 03, 2018 10:39 pm

The idea of it continuing what's implicitly an AU version of the series is... acceptable. I can live with that.

NGE2 is a difficult thing to sequelize, since a large number of the original PS2 events along with the PSP character scenarios are mutually exclusive with one another. Entirely by design, since much of the point is to let the player experience possibilities that couldn't be explored in the show. But this is why the game is defined far more by the information it reveals about the world than by what happens in it. The player determines what happens in it.

Some of Anima's designs are borrowed from Yamashita's work on Eva2, but I don't think this makes their worlds compatible. I mean... A centaur ass attachment? Multiple simultaneously active Reis? Dark Side Kaworu and Light Side Kaworu? Eva-01 becoming Shinji's "real" body? Prehistoric Evas? Seele using Kaji as a vessel for their collected souls? Quadrupedal cat girls? A giant balloon-titted Asuka!Eva in high heels that has the mind of a child? Seriously? These are just some details I'm vaguely aware of, and whatever the justification for them in Anima itself, any resemblance to the logic and sensibilities of NGE, and the ultimate fan service that is NGE2, feels... limited at best. Keep in mind, Anima's creator is the kind of guy who, when left to his own devices, came up with an ending scenario for the original show that involved a four-armed German Eva with an overdesigned ATF-warping weapon somehow causing worldwide mental contamination that reverted humans into primitive Cats rejects inexplicably called "werewolves". Anima is basically this, raised to the power of "entire bloody light novel".

Don't get me wrong. I have no problem with Yamashita's batshit insanity in and of itself. I just have a problem with the fact that his sandbox for crazy mecha design is expressly labeled and marketed as a sequel to the Eva we know and love, when this doesn't hold up to even the most superficial level of scrutiny. The mind boggles as to what sort of amazing thing Yamashita could have created if the "Eva" name weren't attached and there were neither expectations nor limitations in place. But sadly this would have been the path of less money and I'm sure publishers wouldn't have allowed it even if Yamashita liked the idea.

(The balloon-titted high-heeled mecha giantess was going to be offensively out of place no matter what, though. I can see it working in an ero work that caters to outrageous fetishes -- but absolutely nowhere else.)

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Postby DarkBluePhoenix » Thu May 03, 2018 11:30 pm

View Original PostReichu wrote:(The balloon-titted high-heeled mecha giantess was going to be offensively out of place no matter what, though. I can see it working in an ero work that caters to outrageous fetishes -- but absolutely nowhere else.)

What...................................??? Which EVA does this refer to?

Though as the armor stuff goes, the ATF control armor seems both practical in an offensive and defensive sense, and also looks pretty damn cool on Unit-01 and Unit-02 as BlueBasilisk had said previously. As for it being an AU rather than a continuation of the original story... I can't say which I'd rather prefer, considering we don't know the full, translated story, and maybe never will. Like I think I've mentioned before, some of the weird shit may make more sense within the full context of the story, though anything big-titted with high heels in a mech anime outside of G Gundam's Nobel Gundam makes about as much sense as a screen door on a submarine.
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Postby Reichu » Fri May 04, 2018 1:50 am

View Original PostDarkBluePhoenix wrote:What...................................??? Which EVA does this refer to?

This appalling thing (consult the first results). Images were posted in-thread not too long ago, though I suppose they didn't flaunt her attributes as much as they could have...

I don't doubt that a lot of the stuff makes sense in context, but there's a difference between making sense on its own crazy terms, and making sense as a follow-up to NGE. (Apologies if I sound like a broken record here.) I mentioned that NGE movie scenario for a reason: it is not Anima length, and the most detail-heavy parts of it have already been translated, which hit you right up front with a cannonball of insane crap that has very little resemblance to NGE. Yamashita seems to, like many creators, carry a lot of his fixations from one project to the next, so the scenario functions as a sort of incomplete prototype of Anima, providing some insight into what to expect.

I don't think a full translation is really necessary to judge the integrity of a proposed sequel, either. NGE is not exactly subtle with its priorities, and ludicrous, overindulgent mecha porn is not one of them. (Not talking about Rebuild, which of course is a different work with a different feeling and mission from NGE. I'll happily bitch about some of the mecha design choices in that, too.) It's a character piece through and through, to the point that the mecha are basically characters themselves (not an exaggeration for Eva-01 especially); they're used sparsely and are painstakingly integrated into the themes. In Anima, this is by all indications reversed; NGE's cast is a vehicle by which Yamashita can sandbox crazy mecha concepts, up to and including towering fetishistic crap that would make 2.22 blush. NGE was crafted as a TV show with a definitive end point it was building towards, and canceling out this, and all the character, story, and thematic resolution that comes with it, is on a very basic level a betrayal of the original work. If the only way to make a sequel to something that was never meant to have a sequel is by saying that part of the work never happened... well, the gentlest thing I can say is that maybe any such undertaking and its sense of priority should be reconsidered somewhat.

Okay, so that's judging a sequel in terms of thematic integrity, not necessarily plot and mechanics and so forth, which, I agree, in the absence of a translation is impossible to fully gauge unless you're fluent and can read the thing (which to my disgrace I am nowhere close to being). Regardless of Anima's content, this is probably going to boil down to "YMMV", since stuff like prehistoric Evas and mysterious artifacts and catgirls and Seele wanting to get all up inside Kaji aren't strictly speaking RULED OUT by anything in NGE, and how well these kinds of elements "fit" is going to vary wildly from one person to another. (I'd like to assume that nobody in their right mind would think a catgirl a logical way to expand upon the world of the original anime, but the fanbase can be pretty disillusioning so you just never know...)

But when it comes down to it, this is yet another variation upon that most overcooked of needless alternate Eva scenarios: "artificially extend NGE storyline by having 3I not happen so new Evas and other completely unnecessary 'innovations' can be grafted on". (I'm, like, close to 100% sure it was overcooked even when Anima first came out. The early years of Eva fandom were quite prolific, even if, with most of that material being restricted at best to the Internet Archive today, a relative newcomer would have little way of knowing.) I assume the main (or only) reason anybody cares is because Yamashita is behind it, and his nifty illustrations together with the stray translated tidbits suggest that there's something within that isn't necessarily good, but might at least be an entertaining distraction.

This isn't bad, necessarily. And I don't know anything about Yamashita's motivations for taking on this project, so for all I know it was never meant to be anything other than good honest fun. Just, me being me, I would feel much less cynical about the enterprise and more receptive to everything non-Eva-like about it if it was packaged only a little differently.

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Postby BlueBasilisk » Fri May 04, 2018 7:47 am

I picked Eva 2 for a couple reasons. For one it's possible to create the scenario that kickstarts the plot at least one of the scenarios. You can save Misato, stop the Eva series with the F-type armor and save Asuka too. And you have the foundations to some of the stuff that would get re-used in Anima like the Jet Alone's N2 reactor or Yamashita's impractical weapons such as the Mastema or the dual saw.

To me Anima 1 seems a lot more grounded (relatively speaking) than 2 or 3, at least til the point the Allegorica shows up. There's nothing too offensively outrageous in it except for Unit 00's peg leg and that from what I've seen. If someone made an action adventure game set 3 years after Eva 2 and Anno wasn't involved, Anima 1 is about what I would expect it to look like. That's also what it feels like: the novelization of a big console game that was never made.

It's in parts 2 and 3 where Yamashita really throws off the limiters and shows the depths of his batshit crazy ideas, and even compared to his movie pitch, the ideas that pop up in the halfway point and beyond are lost in Bat Country.

If you had told me that Armaros' first incarnation was some super-advanced next gen Seele Eva, I could have bought that after getting over the fact that it looks like a Tetsuya Nomura Evangelion. It isn't too different from the way other games treated Type Beta.

That's what I was getting at. It's still very different from Eva proper but it's still within my range of tolerance for weirdness from VG Eva. At least initially.
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Postby VUX » Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:42 pm

I don’t understand what everyone is so angry about, it’s an AU, and anything is possible in an AU, since the author can choose what they want in the story.
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Postby Reichu » Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:29 pm

View Original PostVUX wrote:I don’t understand what everyone is so angry about, it’s an AU

As far as I know, it's just an alternate timeline. In other words, it's meant to follow from what was established in the anime, and merely provide an alternate outcome. A completely parallel universe would be one thing, since it can write its own rules from scratch. An alternate timeline still needs to adhere to preexisting logistics -- and if it doesn't, calling foul is perfectly legitimate.


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