Yeah but Asuka isn't an expert in time paradoxes, that's more Shinji's camp (and of course he isn't going to contradict Asuka).
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Yeah but Asuka isn't an expert in time paradoxes, that's more Shinji's camp (and of course he isn't going to contradict Asuka).
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^ Who would when they're about to get some? But would that be in Shinji's wheelhouse? Is he a BTTF fan?
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Its get worse as if Mari is say intersex she could in fact be her own mother as this scenario was played out in the film Predestination which is about the predestination paradox where you can in essence be your own mother or father or be both and its really messed up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination_(film)
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Somebody suggested to me the bizarre theory that all the scenes with the Evas and Angels are metaphors in-universe and don't actually happen; they're just a dramatized version of Shinji's own mental struggles. This apparently also extends to both versions of Instrumentality.
Said theory came from the same guy who told me Eva is solely a character psychology story, and said any discussion of the scifi elements of the show is missing the point and therefore you're wrong for doing it. Obvious self contradiction aside, not sure how I feel about theories that involve treating in-universe events as not real without any indication within the show that it should be so.
Said theory came from the same guy who told me Eva is solely a character psychology story, and said any discussion of the scifi elements of the show is missing the point and therefore you're wrong for doing it. Obvious self contradiction aside, not sure how I feel about theories that involve treating in-universe events as not real without any indication within the show that it should be so.
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ACGT-Samael wrote:Somebody suggested to me the bizarre theory that all the scenes with the Evas and Angels are metaphors in-universe and don't actually happen; they're just a dramatized version of Shinji's own mental struggles. This apparently also extends to both versions of Instrumentality.
Said theory came from the same guy who told me Eva is solely a character psychology story, and said any discussion of the scifi elements of the show is missing the point and therefore you're wrong for doing it. Obvious self contradiction aside, not sure how I feel about theories that involve treating in-universe events as not real without any indication within the show that it should be so.
Suddenly I'm reminded of that really lame Buffy episode called Normal Again which totally undermined the whole series by saying Buffy is in reality some one in a mental wards padded room living out the adventures in her head meaning that all the people she helped were never helped all the people she saved never happened all the best friends she met never happened ether...your friends theory is basically saying the same thing about Shinji and its a tragic concept.
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silvermoonlight wrote:Suddenly I'm reminded of that really lame Buffy episode called Normal Again which totally undermined the whole series by saying Buffy is in reality some one in a mental wards padded room living out the adventures in her head meaning that all the people she helped were never helped all the people she saved never happened all the best friends she met never happened ether...your friends theory is basically saying the same thing about Shinji and its a tragic concept.
Wouldn't exactly call him a friend so much as "a guy I talk to" but basically yes. In addition though, it kind of insults your audience by telling them that thing they liked wasn't real even within the show.
I'm fairly certain he has a vested interest in believing this theory since he's one of those people who only likes really cerebral and psychology heavy fiction. I imagine if he ever wrote something it'd be more like a think piece than an actual story.
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ACGT-Samael wrote:Wouldn't exactly call him a friend so much as "a guy I talk to" but basically yes. In addition though, it kind of insults your audience by telling them that thing they liked wasn't real even within the show.
I'm fairly certain he has a vested interest in believing this theory since he's one of those people who only likes really cerebral and psychology heavy fiction. I imagine if he ever wrote something it'd be more like a think piece than an actual story.
The only way I could see someone writing that is if they say Shinji is having mental episodes and drawing it out on paper in the presence of his friends Rei (Could be his sister depending on your view point) Asuka, Kaworu, Toji, Hikari and Kensuke and there all playing out the roles to help him get through it hopping that he'll break back in to reality because at least then unlike the Buffy episode the reward at the end is being embraced by his friends.
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silvermoonlight wrote:The only way I could see someone writing that is if they say Shinji is having mental episodes and drawing it out on paper in the presence of his friends Rei (Could be his sister depending on your view point) Asuka, Kaworu, Toji, Hikari and Kensuke and there all playing out the roles to help him get through it hopping that he'll break back in to reality because at least then unlike the Buffy episode the reward at the end is being embraced by his friends.
...so basket by turning the series into Shutter Island. It's a neat idea for sure, but I'm not sure how well it'd actually pan out.
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Nether would I and its not something I'd try writing I think it needs a way better writer than I am to do it, because that is some real hard psychological stuff to pull off and to make the ending pay off right.
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At first I thought it was literally its title and was trying to piece the story together with biblical consistency. I'd like to see someone try winding everything together using all the symbolism and see what they could make of it.
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Here's an interesting one for you... Somebody I spoke to recently interpreted Kaworu (and to a lesser extent Rei) as an allegory for gender dysphoria. The long and short of it is they both seem to express a certain level of unhappiness based on a feeling of being in the "wrong" body, since their souls being in a body that's mismatched with their souls is unconsciously affecting their self-image and such. I will note it's not uncommon for people to see parallels to issues close to them in various works, but I thought this one was worth sharing.
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I'll happily make the argument that in Kaworu's case, it isn't even allegory. (NGE version of Kaworu only. The manga version surgically stripped away every last tell in the original down to the breasts on the statue, and with the NTE version we barely know what's going on with anyone or anything SO...) Kinda wished the show had done more with this, since the implications are kind of fascinating. Both Rei and Kaworu are ancient goddesses who've been trapped in the bodies of Lilin children and had their souls actively molded by men of power. Of the two of them, the one that retained a female body was able to break free from servitude and reclaim her identity. Kaworu, on the other hand, chose to simply give up and die -- only getting another chance to influence the future because of Rei's rebellion. I've been asked many times by people unable or unwilling to drink the "Adam is a woman" Kool-Aid (one of my favorite drink mixes) WHY, if Adam actually is female, Seele would put her soul in a male body. Simple: control. Female generative power is treated as practically one of the most powerful forces in the universe in NGE. I can see a bunch of scared old men reasoning that, yes, this goddess that nearly blew up the world after getting knocked up in a sick transgenic experiment is going to be much less dangerous and much easier to mold into compliance with the Scenario(R) if those terrifying female organs are no longer exerting any influence. Sexist as fuck, check; steeped in mysticism, check. It didn't completely work, since Kaworu is basically a mom in bishounen's clothing; but, well, it worked well enough, didn't it?
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I saw this one recently. The Rei that appears when Kaworu sees Lilith was Quantum Rei rather than Rei III.
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It doesn't seem that crazy to me.
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Doesn't seem that crazy to me neither, lol. I'd even say it could to lead to perfectly plausible reading of the material.
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A theory I had while watching the show.
The screen layout of the Entry Plug with the placement of the seams between the screens can be seen as multiple pairs of wings.
There was this shot somewhere in the show where you could see from the front towards the back of the plug with the seams lining up in such a fashion that it looks like the pilot has a pair(s) of wings.
These look something like the ones we then see in EoE.
The screen layout of the Entry Plug with the placement of the seams between the screens can be seen as multiple pairs of wings.
There was this shot somewhere in the show where you could see from the front towards the back of the plug with the seams lining up in such a fashion that it looks like the pilot has a pair(s) of wings.
These look something like the ones we then see in EoE.
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Oh? Anyone have an image that lines up with this idea? Even if wasn't the intention, it would make for an amusing coincidence
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this isnt really a theory more like an assumption or something but
i like to believe that Asuka didn't get her epiphany during eoe, so she rips shinjis throat out after the credits, killing him instantly.
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i like to believe that Asuka didn't get her epiphany during eoe, so she rips shinjis throat out after the credits, killing him instantly.
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I'd say it's a suboptimal if not an outright lousy reading, since it detracts from Rei 3's arc leading up to her rebellion. If the Rei who's in Terminal Dogma watching over things isn't Rei 3, that deprives Rei 3 of a meaningful response to Kaworu's approach earlier. And the response is being clearly built up to.
1) Kaworu goes up to Rei, tells her they're the same, etc.
2) Rei ponders what Kaworu meant in her room
3) Rei manifests her powers to be the lone observer of the conflict (or its resolution, at least), see Kaworu announce the name of her true self, and watch Kaworu die
Playing into this is the fact that Rei has a visible, however subtle, emotional reaction when Kaworu smiles at her. Compare her faces before and after to see what I mean.
The Quantum Rei idea is not only a detriment to Rei's arc, it's also completely unnecessary in every other way. The Quantum Reis reveal themselves by the fact that their appearances are paradoxical. They show up in places and in states that should be impossible. In the "Ode to Joy" sequence, there is nothing preventing Rei from being there. She's not shown to be in a different location at the time, or in a hospital bed unable to move, or having returned to Lilith and subsequently died. There is not a single reason to think it isn't her.
The similarities to Quantum Rei can be instead explained by the fact that Rei 3 is the one that BECOMES Quantum Rei. It's foreshadowing, or build-up, effectively. Contact with Kaworu has catalyzed Rei into becoming what she was meant to become.
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I just thought this up: It was SEELE's secret plan to create Kaoru during the Adam contact experiment using both Adam and Keel's DNA. Keel probably hates his cyborg body, seeing how much he desires instrumentality (and imagine how awful a body like his would feel like). But preparation of the HIP still has a long way to go, and SEELE needs to somehow set off 2I anyway, so why not kick it off by creating a young version of Keel himself so that in the 15 year gap he may get satisfaction from raising Kaoru and watching him grow. Keel and Kaoru's hair color and style look the most similar And it makes sense that only the big boss would be megalomanical enough to be at peace with the idea of fusing his own Lilin DNA with Adam
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