Rebuild outside of Evageeks: Many reactions

Discussion of the new series of Evangelion movies ( "Evangelion Shin Gekijōban", meaning "Evangelion: New Theatrical Edition").
The third installment debuted in Japan on November 17, 2012.

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Postby kuribo-04 » Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:16 pm

A lot of people like stories that focus on the characters. And for someone like that Rebuild isn't going to have any hook for them regardless if it has Evangelion in its name
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I don't exist then. :bigeyes:

(I do feel Rebuild is just as centered on characters, as a film series it just tells that story differently. With 3.0 for example, I don't think there is a single scene that doesn't contribute in that sense.)
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Postby Anonymous_Evafan » Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:20 pm

Once again the fanbase is really really diverse. There are probably plenty of people that felt we've already had the series with its dark turn and didn't want to see a repeat of that in Rebuild. It's worth reiterating not everyone likes the same things about this franchise. You can be a fan of a certain character and not like the dark turn, you can enjoy the intellectual honesty of how terribly making unstable kids pilot mechas would really end, you can just enjoy that EoTV AU segment and hate everything else about the franchise. You can't simplify what makes an Eva fan.


I think it's clear for what he's said Asuka'sBigBrother is a character fan and Rebuild just doesn't have a hook for him so I don't get this whole dogpiling that happened. His opinion is right for him and your opinion is right for you. Ultimately Reichu's advice is the best way for everyone to handle it.

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I don't exist then. :bigeyes:

I'm not trying to chew anyone out here I'm just trying to get everyone to realize fandom is a really complex thing
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Postby kuribo-04 » Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:31 pm

I realize that, was just making a lil joke.
But yeah, I love Eva for the characters and love Rebuilds.

I don't think anybody here has a problem with people disliking Rebuild (and they shouldn't), but as a project clearly made with love and care, and some undeniable technical merits, I think it deserves to at least get the chance of fair analysis.
I just don't think describing Rebuild as an utter failure makes sense or contributes much.
Negative criticism is fun, and I've been guilty of this countless times myself.
But recent years I've noticed seeing something's merits is more fun than just seeing is flaws, and I think Rebuild deserves that.
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Postby DarkBluePhoenix » Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:59 pm

FreakyFilmFan4ever wrote: @DarkBluePhoenix Thanks for your input. Do you feel that Eva Q was an overall bad movie? Or do you feel that Eva Q just doesn’t provide a good stopping point before Shin Eva continues the developing narrative?

It wasn't a bad movie by any stretch. But it did have some narrative issues and massive plot holes that if things had been done differently, a Fourth Impact may have been avoided, which considering how much older (and supposedly wiser) everyone is, it should have been avoided. As mentioned multiple times on the forum, and something I know I've mentioned before, no one explained anything to Shinji, he was just told he wasn't piloting and to never pilot again. He was never told what happened in the 14 years between when he disappeared and when he was brought back from Unit-01. He's not even told that the world was destroyed, or that Misato and Co. aren't with NERV anymore, and that NERV is now the enemy. He's left entirely in the dark, and had they set aside some of their anger and told him enough, perhaps he would not have followed Rei into when NERV attacked the Wunder. And Misato forgetting she egged Shinji on to rescue Rei, and subsequently cause Third Impact, and then blames him entirely by finally listening to her seems to be dodging some of the blame for what happened. None of that has particularly sat well with me.

kuribo-04 wrote:I just don't think describing Rebuild as an utter failure makes sense or contributes much.

Well, you can't call something that's incomplete an utter failure until you see it as a whole. Hopefully Final will exceed all expectations and be wonderful.
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Postby Anonymous_Evafan » Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:15 pm

To someone the story utterly fails to connect with it would be a failure. Yeah sure, on a certain level why are you here, but ultimately perspectives are weird things. I'd personally feel sorry for them being suckered in by nostalgia and not enjoying what they were given.
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Postby pwhodges » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:29 pm

View Original PostDarkBluePhoenix wrote:no one explained anything to Shinji, he was just told he wasn't piloting and to never pilot again. He was never told what happened in the 14 years between when he disappeared and when he was brought back from Unit-01. He's not even told that the world was destroyed, or that Misato and Co. aren't with NERV anymore, and that NERV is now the enemy.

But there are good reasons for all of that - adding up, simply, to time. First they had to be sure he was genuine; then they were attacked. They started talking to him, but just didn't have the time to get anywhere before Rei came for him - unexpectedly; they didn't know they had to hurry!
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Postby DarkBluePhoenix » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:35 pm

^ Yet they had time to explain what the DSS Choker was and that he was a danger to humanity. He did ask what was going on, but wasn't told anything. Even a brief explanation instead of the DSS choker mishegoss would have been a better use of time. The real reason he wasn't told anything is because of plot, but in-universe, they're just letting their hate get ahead of their common sense.
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Postby Reichu » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:42 pm

I can smell where this is going.

Let's not and say we did. Thanks.

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Postby Mr. Tines » Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:40 am

We're drifting here, from how the films have been received elsewhere to something closer to thread/7773/Debate-the-quality-of-Rebuild-here-2/ -- so TOPIC, BITCHES
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Postby kuribo-04 » Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:48 am

Shinji: "Sooner or later I'll be betrayed... And they'll leave me. Still... I want to meet them again, because I believe my feelings at that time were real."
Ryuko: "I'm gonna knock ya on your asses!"
-Asuka: THINK IN GERMAN!!! -Shinji: Öh... Baumkuchen...
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