Fanservice in Evangelion: Good or Bad?

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Postby Mr. Tines » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:22 am

When I watched NGE, I always felt that the promises of :misato_service: were false advertising.
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Postby Cybermat47 » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:58 am

View Original PostMr. Tines wrote:When I watched NGE, I always felt that the promises of :misato_service: were false advertising.


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Postby Joseki » Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:36 am

View Original PostReiIsTopTierWaifu wrote:So when is fanservice too much in NGE, and rebuild, I think that in nge the scenes with Asuka and the Thermal Expansion jokes weren't bad, as well as the occasional nude shots with naked Rei, and top-hanging-too-low and showing there mammaries were pretty tame, but Mari in Rebuild was just stupid, especially how her introduction in 2.0 is talking about how her plugsuit is too tight, and when she first meets Shinji her introduction is her suffocating Shinji with her naughty bits, and it showing an ass-shot, as well as her climbing on Shinji to sniff him, for some reason, thoughts? :???:


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Postby silvermoonlight » Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:03 pm

I never had an issue with it in the series I did how ever take issue with 2.22 and I know people might not agree with me on this but I hate Asuka's test plug suite because I know its there to shift merchandise hence its really insincere and I also didn't like her underwear shot ether because again its so blatant its not like the clever moments in the series where it ties in to the story.
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Postby imprimatur13 » Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:48 pm

View Original PostMr. Tines wrote:When I watched NGE, I always felt that the promises of :misato_service: were false advertising.

In most cases, though there were a few shots of Misato that would indeed qualify.
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Postby Cybermat47 » Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:48 pm

View Original Postsilvermoonlight wrote:I never had an issue with it in the series I did how ever take issue with 2.22 and I know people might not agree with me on this but I hate Asuka's test plug suite because I know its there to shift merchandise hence its really insincere and I also didn't like her underwear shot ether because again its so blatant its not like the clever moments in the series where it ties in to the story.


The underwear shot could be interpreted as being a visual sign of how she feels about Shinji, but I do agree with you about the test plug suit.

At a stretch, you could say that it visually represents Asuka opening up to others, but there’s no doubt that the two groups who have benefited the most from it are the merchandisers and hentai artists.
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Postby robersora » Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:32 pm

Fanservice is bad, when it annoys you.
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Postby Blockio » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:22 am

View Original PostReiIsTopTierWaifu wrote:Mari in Rebuild was just stupid, especially how her introduction in 2.0 is talking about how her plugsuit is too tight, and when she first meets Shinji her introduction is her suffocating Shinji with her naughty bits, and it showing an ass-shot, as well as her climbing on Shinji to sniff him, for some reason, thoughts? :???:

I dont know what my initial reactions to the scene were (or if I even realised it was fanservice, not too unlikely considering that I was tired, slightly sick and still confused from watching EoE the other day), but upon re-watching it, I found it pretty clever, since it does a great job both at showing Mari's playful personality as well as foreshadowing the Beast mode (and with all of her cat-like behavior, such as staring at the birds a few minutes before Unit 03's activation test, even the feral form seen in Q, but that might just be me reading into things far too much)
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Postby silvermoonlight » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:40 pm

View Original PostBlockio wrote:I dont know what my initial reactions to the scene were (or if I even realised it was fanservice, not too unlikely considering that I was tired, slightly sick and still confused from watching EoE the other day), but upon re-watching it, I found it pretty clever, since it does a great job both at showing Mari's playful personality as well as foreshadowing the Beast mode (and with all of her cat-like behavior, such as staring at the birds a few minutes before Unit 03's activation test, even the feral form seen in Q, but that might just be me reading into things far too much)


I never thought about that with Mari but your right and if you watch the beast mode Evangelion it sort of shifts low to the ground like its mimicking her behaviour which is sort of cat like along with watching the birds.

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Postby Blockio » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:10 pm

View Original Postsilvermoonlight wrote:I never thought about that with Mari but your right and if you watch the beast mode Evangelion it sort of shifts low to the ground like its mimicking her behaviour which is sort of cat like along with watching the birds.

Another thing to add to the cat-like behavior is ner "nya~" just after Unit 02's head smashes into the shelter Shinji is sitting in, which doesnt really make any sense otherwise. (Is this still on topic?)
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:12 am

I have a broader definition of fan service, so that tends to complicate things. (Any scene with Chiyo-Chan cooking and coming up with stuffed animals in the Azumanga Daioh anime counts just as much as fan service as any beach episode of the same show. See also Khara’s “God Warrior” short film. They don’t have to be sexually motivated scenes, just scenes that overindulge the fans’ interest in particular, non-plot relevant things.) Basically, if I feel that it’s a cheap grab for attention, then my body rejects it outright. If not, then it’s whatever. Much of Eva doesn’t apply, though.

Movies where the filmmakers say that they “made it for the fans” are always trouble, because they tend to manifest that pointless overindulgence into a 2-hour feature.

View Original PostCybermat47 wrote:Honestly, the only fanservice I have an issue with is the post-decapitation boob jiggle.

That was a bit awkward, yes.

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Postby AdamMalkovitch » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:21 am

I personally see fanservice as divided into two camps: true fanservice, and bait.

Bait is best demonstrated in the early episodes of Neon Genesis, with all their various shots of Misato, Rei, Asuka, and even Ritsuko to an extent. Bait, IMO, is totally fine, and actually really good, because it can be used to draw in the audiences who are only there FOR the bait, driven solely by id, and then either call them out on it, or use it to tell a very important story, which NGE does both of.

True Fanservice, on the other hand, is just there to please fans, and sometimes to the detriment of the creator's intention. This includes stuff like Kaworu being built up through two New Theatrical Evangelion films just to play Gay Piano and then go boom, just because the fans loved his character in Neon Genesis. This type of fanservice, IMO, is very, very bad. I believe that creators should never pander to anyone, that their vision should be their own, unless said pandering is done for a reason (which could technically be kind of bait), or because they want to.

An example of True Fanservice gone horribly wrong is the recently released Sonic Forces. Forces is so cluttered and has such an identity crisis, simply because the creators tried to cram so much into a simple plot and game, just to please the fans. Fan-favorite Classic Sonic is there- for really no reason and also plays terribly and only has 5 levels. Three iconic villains (and Zavok) return- but you only fight two of them, and the other two are destroyed in cutscenes in a single hit by another character. A new, mysterious villain allied with Eggman is introduced- with no explanation in-game, a complicated explanation from outside, semi-canon sources, three bland terrible fights, and he just sort of disappears after the third, which is followed up by a lab that may or may not be his birth place being completely destroyed. It's just trash there to please fans and make money.
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Postby kuribo-04 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:26 am

I don't have an issue with Mari's fanservice, it's her personality to act and talk like that I guess.
And what fanservice is supposed to be bad?
I have no idea.
On the one hand I wouldn't change a thing about NGE, on the other some of the characters are supposed to be minors.
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Postby ACGT-Samael » Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:57 pm

View Original Postrobersora wrote:Fanservice is bad, when it annoys you.


This is pretty much the most generalizable answer that can be given, because fan service is an incredibly subjective thing. There are people who lap up every bit of it they can get and beg for more, people who want it nowhere near them, and an entire spectrum in between. I wanted to make a comment about how fan service can be objectively bad when it's included to the detriment of the plot, but guess what, plenty of people would just make like Shinji in Asuka's hospital room and think nothing more of it.

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Postby Marisue » Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:03 pm

I never have a problem with fanservice, I mean unless it's the ones that do it just to attract certain types of audience like you'd see in other animes that do it too much. I like that they give a heads up if there will be a fanservice episode, but it happens randomly.

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Postby ZQFMGB » Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:30 pm

Well, it's very subjective, but I really feel uncomfortable with the b00bs and panties shots on Asuka or Mari. They're teens! And the fact that half of the merchandising is based on this (apparently the giant robot part wasn't enough) doesn't help. Now everytime I search pictures of those two I fear I'm being put on a FBI watchlist.

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Postby kuribo-04 » Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:10 am

You won't be put on an FBI watchlist.
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Postby silvermoonlight » Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:22 am

View Original PostZQFMGB wrote: Now everytime I search pictures of those two I fear I'm being put on a FBI watchlist.


No your thinking of Lolicon you can get in to serious trouble in my country for owning images of that and I believe that's what the FBI track.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:50 am

I think in the US, the FBI is more concerned with IRL child pornography than they are weird creeps drawing highly-fantastical illustrations of fictional under-aged characters. That’s something I can get behind, more or less, because it doesn’t trample anyone’s freedom of speech since they don’t go after sexual illustrators of any kind.

There is, however, a more important discussion as to whether or not prosecuting simply for possession of child porn can inhibit and discourage people who have evidence of child prostitution from coming revealing such evidence to the proper authorities. (There have been many people who have admitted anonymously online that they came across photographic evidence of child prostitution, but didn’t want to bring evidence to the authorities because they would simply prostitution the individual who found the evidence rather than the one who produced the porn.) This discussion would need to be had by people much smarter than me, though. I’m just here to talk about fan service.

I think that the term “fan service” should be a looser term than it is. Most people use it simply to refer to “beach episodes” or whatnot, when the definition should also be extended to anytime an unusual amount of attention is given to spectacularize positive genre/character affirmations. (Example: The fight scene at the end of Episode 9 of NGE is totally fan service to Mecha, Kaiju, and military otaku. Mari’s gung-ho attitude towards and aggressive battle teqniques when piloting Eva units is fan service to Eva otaku. And so on and so forth.)

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Postby pwhodges » Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:23 am

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:There have been many people who have admitted anonymously online that they came across photographic evidence of child prostitution, but didn’t want to bring evidence to the authorities because they would simply prostitution the individual who found the evidence rather than the one who produced the porn.

In the UK, it is an offence to "create" images of child porn. Displaying such an image on a monitor is "creation" for the purposes of this law.

When I was a computer manager, the question came up of how someone in my position should proceed if the possibility arose of investigating possibly illegal material of this nature on the network and servers. I was given a document written by the police which detailed the steps which would be appropriate to make it likely that I would not be prosecuted for the offence in such a situation (note, I would still have committed the offence, regardless). Among other things, it involved having two people present at all times, one logging on paper every keystroke and mouse movement made by the other during the entire investigation... The other computer managers I was discussing this with felt they would probably rather say nothing and not get involved at all.
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