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Postby Chuckman » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:50 pm

Also this is about a studio/distributor/streaming service going into print, so I guess it goes into the "print comic books" rather than "media adapted from comics" zone:

http://www.vulture.com/2017/11/netflix- ... order.html

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Postby movieartman » Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:53 am

View Original PostRay wrote:But given he still has a TON of name recognition? I expect them to give him a BIG name character. And that will be the kiss of death.

Most likely he will be given the main Justice League title as since Rebirth it has had no big name on it and the arcs have felt like filler from what I have gathered.
Unfortunately team books is where his primary faults lie.

That being said as a big fan of his Dark Avengers book (more so then the rest of his Avengers runs) I think he would be a fine choice for a Crime Syndicate series but unfortunately they are currently dead (perhaps they will be restored by the end of Metal or The Doomsday Clock.

If he got a dead serious Noir book that he could do work in the vein of his Alias or Daredevil run on, then I think we would have a reason to hope.

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Postby movieartman » Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:20 pm

Still on hiatus, throwing a concerning situation out there.

Superb Dc artist Francis Manapul's sister in law has been missing for 5 days now.
https://www.instagram.com/francis_manapul/
https://twitter.com/FrancisManapul

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Postby ChaddyManPrime » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:37 pm

I am enjoying Uber, and God is Dead right now, anybody else reading them?
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Postby movieartman » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:01 am

View Original Postmovieartman wrote:Still on hiatus, throwing a concerning situation out there.

Superb Dc artist Francis Manapul's sister in law has been missing for 5 days now.
https://www.instagram.com/francis_manapul/
https://twitter.com/FrancisManapul

She was murdered sadly. They have security cam footage of the possible killer but no ID so far.
View Original PostChaddyManPrime wrote:I am enjoying Uber, and God is Dead right now, anybody else reading them?

Behind on Uber but like it a good deal.
God is Dead I have read all the way. It starts good, meanders for too long & badly. They killed off too many gods in the first 5 issues.
Main part I enjoyed was discovering various different gods & mythologies I had never heard of.

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Postby Ray » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:12 am

Now don't get me wrong I like dark stories but God is dead and Uber both just pushed too many buttons for me. ESPECIALLY Uber.

When you see a room full of Jews with faces like Adolf Hitler, physically altered to look like the madman who wants to wipe them all out just so a super-powered flesh sculptor can " hone her craft"? At some point you just have to draw a line in the sand and say no.
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Postby movieartman » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:20 am

View Original PostRay wrote:Now don't get me wrong I like dark stories but God is dead and Uber both just pushed too many buttons for me. ESPECIALLY Uber.

When you see a room full of Jews with faces like Adolf Hitler, physically altered to look like the madman who wants to wipe them all out just so a super-powered flesh sculptor can " hone her craft"? At some point you just have to draw a line in the sand and say no.

Don't recall that scene.
I like Uber less for the gore & more for the recorded Military history documentary manner it is narrated. (Always been big on military stuff)

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Postby Ray » Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:35 am

Read the first two issues of Doomsday Clock.

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What I liked.

1) It doesn't appear to be shying away from the original grim tone that watchmen defined. At least for the moment.

2) I like seeing where the world has gone since the events of Watchmen.

3) I'm an ETERNALLY GLAD that the new Rorschach isn't the same one from the book.

4) The new characters are likeable, but still have that meanspirited edge to them that Watchmen characters have. Mime and his wife definitely seem like characters that Alan Moore would create. Straddling the line between Comedically Grim and Actually Grim.

5) The 9 Panel Layout from watchmen is back, I love how it gives the whole book the same sense of cinematic tightness that the original book had. The art is slick and perfectly captures the feel of Gibbons original style. Though it's a bit more refined and lacks the pop-art colors that was to be expected of 80's comics at the time.
What I didn't like.

1) The whole concept of it kind've makes me a bit iffy as this is sort've betraying Alan Moores original vision, and supporting the corporation that screwed him out of the rights to his characters. Furthermore say what you will about Before Watchmen. At least it didn't undermine the original ending to Alan Moores story that he made very clear a sequel should never be made to. Same thing for incorporating the Watchmen characters into the DC universe, where the expys that inspired them (Question, Peacemaker, Wildcat etc.) actually exist. Are they going to replace them? Are they going to exist side by side with one another?

2) I'm gonna spoiler this.
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It's an end of second issue twist so I'm not going to 100% judge the series just yet. He could be a robot, he could be an AU version of him. But you brought back Comedian Johns? NO! The entire original Watchmen only happened because of his death! Bringing him back undermines what the original series was supposed to be about! Death matters in Watchmen! It should matter just as much here!


3) The characters in this book talk about Dr. Manhattan in this deified reverential sense. When in the original book that was never the case. The original Watchmen was all about Manhattan losing his connection to Humanity. He doesn't regain it in any sense until the very end of the story, and by then it's too late to really do anything about it. The world never really saw him as a superhero or a god or a decent person. Least of all himself. Doesn't make much sense if you ask me.

4) Some of the way the new Rorschach talks doesn't make sense.

To rip the band-aid off He sounds like a Radical Trump Supporter. He refers to the mob calling for Ozymandias head as 'undeplorables' for one. For now at least, it seems to be skirting the line when it comes to politics though I'm worried the foot could drop at any time. Which makes SOME sense given Watchmen was in part a political work giving the middle finger to the Reagan Administration and Republican politics in general. I understand it comes with the territory. But haven't we seen enough of this sort of thing from already? We live in a divided time, should we REALLY be making a character who's clearly meant to be a Strawman for everything Alan Moore hates about conservatism sound like a supporter of the most controversial presidential candidate in recent history?

On top of that the world of Watchmen is in it's 1990's. Shouldn't Bush I or Clinton or the Expy thereof be the one Rorschach mentions?

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Overall. I'm interested to see where it goes. Especially given we're getting into Superman and Batman. I'm curious to see when Superman and Manhattan meet what they'll make of each other.

Theres Manhattan. A being of pure logic, whos is as psychologically realistic a portrayal of a man with Godlike powers as you can get. Against Superman. The most illogical character concept in fiction who's entire schtick is that he isn'tthe way someone would be IRL if he did have the powers of a God.
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Postby movieartman » Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:57 am

View Original PostRay wrote:To rip the band-aid off He sounds like a Radical Trump Supporter. He refers to the mob calling for Ozymandias head as 'undeplorables' for one. For now at least, it seems to be skirting the line when it comes to politics though I'm worried the foot could drop at any time. Which makes SOME sense given Watchmen was in part a political work giving the middle finger to the Reagan Administration and Republican politics in general. I understand it comes with the territory. But haven't we seen enough of this sort of thing from already? We live in a divided time, should we REALLY be making a character who's clearly meant to be a Strawman for everything Alan Moore hates about conservatism sound like a supporter of the most controversial presidential candidate in recent history?

Nonono.
I misunderstood that set of panels myself at first.
He criticized BOTH Liberals & Conservatives.

This line was referring to Liberals/sjws.
"The undeplorables scream to hear themselves, deafened in their echo chamber, blaming the other side fro what they have instead of who they are"
"Their tolerance is a one way street"

This line was referring to Conservatives.
"While the totalitarians stand their ground covering their eyes preaching for a return to a rose colored republic, unaware that for those not like the good old days weren't so good"

He is basically dismantling "make America great again" with that line.

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Postby Ray » Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:22 am

Well that's a bit different, given Rorschach in the original work was pretty definitively right wing. To the point of being borderline Homophobic and Misogynistic. Hell, my dear old dad when he saw the movie version kind've missed the point of Rorschach. Rorschach is not meant to be likeable. But despite all that he's incredibly popular with right leaning comic book fans. They see him as a sort've 'tragic hero' despite that not being Moores intent at all.

Rorschach is an expy of the question. A Randian Right Wing objectvist, who tells people the truth they don't want to hear, and confounds enemies with his sense of right and wrong. While Rorschach is a deranged sexually stunted right-wing extremist maniac, who idolizes the rapist Comedian, laments the death of an idealist America that probably never existed, gets on Silk Spectres case for wearing that sexual costume, and his refusal to compromise his belief in absolute good and evil led to his death, and on top of that he entrusts his life story to a "Right Wing Rag that doesn't care about you".

Yeah. Alan Moore hates republicans, and Rorschach is basically meant to be a middle finger to everything he hates about them. Like I said, it comes with the territory.

So Johns making this Rorschach a bit more politically neutral is . . . well I can accept it because it's not the same Rorschach. But still it seems to be a betrayal of Moores original work. Then again the whole Doomsday Clock thing is basically going to be a refutation of Moores work and what it did to the greater comic book industry. Whether that's a good or bad thing remains to be seen.
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Postby VUX » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:53 am

Is this post discussing comic books in general, or just a single topic? :???:
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Postby Ray » Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:50 am

Comic books in General.
I’ll escape now from this world, from the world of Jean Valjean, Jean Valjean is nothing now! Another story must begin!
Avatar: "There's a Starman, waiting in the sky. He'd like to come and meet me, but he thinks he'd blow my mind."
Phew, I’m not tense anymore… now I’m just miserable.
People say "be yourself" but that's bad advice, if we were all to "be ourselves" many of us would stop wearing clothes. -Chuckman


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