Key of Nebuchadnezzer Speculation

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Postby ChaddyManPrime » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:11 pm

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:Can you site the source of the supplemental material?

Bro, I was talking about Evangelion in general, they always make supplemental material. Not everything happens on screen.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:57 pm

Fan theories especially.

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Postby cyharding » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:39 pm

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:That's weird, since Shinji has been controlled since movie 1, and Gendo didn't get the syringe until movie 2. Also, we never see the syringe used on Shinji, despite the fact that the movie spends almost it's entire time focusing on the important events of Shinji's life in that movie.


I would like to also remind everyone, that as of 3.33, Gendo still has it. I think it's the scene where he is looking at the giant Rei head that's in the middle command center. There is a shot of him holding the case that the key is in. So whatever it's meant for, it was not to be used until after the events of that film.

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Postby Sachi » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:05 am

My current hypothesis is that the Key of Nebby is the final Adam. If we assume the other Adams are accounted for in the form of Mark 06, Unit-13, and Unit 01, that leaves one to be introduced in the final film.

We do know that the Key of Nebby is significant specifically for Gendo's plan, but not necessary for Seele's plan. We know this because they proceeded with their plans in 3.0 without it. The question is why. It could be because their needs were already met in the form Mark 06 during 2.0 (the "true" Evangelion), and later in the form of Unit 13 during 3.0. Both of which are Adams, so they had no use for an additional Adam in their plans. Gendo meanwhile was keeping both Unit 01 and the Key of Nebby under his sleeve. He showed his hand with Unit 01 at the end of 2.0, but kept the Key of Nebby a secret for over fourteen years.

Alright, here's where I start fanwanking. At this point, Unit 13 has absorbed Mark 06. Two of the four Adams have been consolidated into one. That leaves Unit 01 and the unknown 4th Adam. If the Key of Nebby is indeed the final Adam, which is in Gendo's possession, and if he then reacquires Unit 13 (like the concept art suggests he does), he'll have three Adams, and will no doubt set his sights on Unit 01 afterward. Gendo could be seeking to combine the Adams into one, reforming Albion/Adam Kadmon. If this is true, that would mean Gendo's plan is actually greatly divergent from Seele's. But again, this is just fanwanking.
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Postby Ray » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:14 am

Makes more sense than the other theories I've had.
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Postby Settie » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:00 pm

My personal fanwank regarding nebbz key is that it was what Seele used to shed their mortal bodies and is also the key ( :w00t: punny) to HIP in the NTE. It's what would allow humans to transcend and evolve beyond their humany selves. It's also why the FoI's were FoI in the first place, without the key they had no soul and therefore headless, I mean when Seele is being shut down there's a brief shot of what looks like an MRI scanned brain on the stone monoliths.

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Postby Heaven Piercing Man » Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:11 am

Nebby, get in the briefcase.
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Postby airman4 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:28 am

View Original Postqu4d wrote:Just a thought.

The Key of Nebuchadnezzer...
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iiiiiiiiiis...
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Evangelion 08!

Gendo will put the Key (being an embryo) in somebodys womb or something, resulting in the quickening of Eva 08.

And the syringe thingy?
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It's an early mini entry plug.

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Probably all everybody noticed this but that key is used to build the nerves and meat of the giants ? (EVA 01,02 etc ?)

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Postby BlueBasilisk » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:49 pm

Kaji and Gendo say it's "kept as a backup" and will open the door to Human Instrumentality to unify all souls into god. My best guess is that it is or was the embryonic form of Unit 13 and was pushed into development once Mark.06 got borked during Third Impact. It having a freshly grown head would explain why it has four eyes when none of the silhouettes during Second Impact did (or there are more than four Adams which I've speculated about in the past). The big mystery is why Gendo was carrying the case when talking to Lilith's head, but I suppose it could have been put there to remind the audience that the Key existed. That was during the lead-up to Unit 13's launch and it's only present in that one scene, iirc.
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Postby Sachi » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:57 pm

The fact that Gendo is still holding onto the briefcase is a pretty clear indication that the Key of Nebby has yet to serve its purpose. It can't be Unit-13, because we see the "womb" housing Unit-13 very early in the movie, before we see Gendo still holding onto the case.
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Postby ChaddyManPrime » Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:42 am

View Original PostBlueBasilisk wrote:Kaji and Gendo say it's "kept as a backup" and will open the door to Human Instrumentality to unify all souls into god. My best guess is that it is or was the embryonic form of Unit 13 and was pushed into development once Mark.06 got borked during Third Impact. It having a freshly grown head would explain why it has four eyes when none of the silhouettes during Second Impact did (or there are more than four Adams which I've speculated about in the past). The big mystery is why Gendo was carrying the case when talking to Lilith's head, but I suppose it could have been put there to remind the audience that the Key existed. That was during the lead-up to Unit 13's launch and it's only present in that one scene, iirc.

Maybe it was kept in backup in case the Adam and Lilith thing didn't pan out?

Maybe he's going to use the key in order to wake up Yui or maybe even join her inside the core?

Another idea that I had was that the key opens up the Chamber of guf. But I have no idea what soul he would want to retrieve.

Another possibility is that it can give him access to one of the moons or seeds that landed on Earth, or even ba catalyst 4 turning one of the Lance's of longinus into a Lance of Cassius.
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Postby Cybermat47 » Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:19 am

Someone’s probably already bought this up, but the name Nebuchadnezzer, when translated from Akkadian to English, is “O god Nabu, preserve/defend my firstborn son”.

I doubt that this name was chosen by coincidence, so... do we have a key to preserving/defending a firstborn son?

My first thought was that the “firstborn son” is Shinji, and Gendo’s ultimate goal has something to do with protecting Shinji (in the usual fucked up Gendo way).

But then I remembered who the ultimate firstborn son is in Christianity - Adam. So perhaps the key has something to do with protecting the Adams? Does it enable the Adams to be resurrected into Evas, and has already been used multiple times for the other Adam Evas?
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Postby one-eyed » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:32 am

Cybermat47 wrote: My first thought was that the “firstborn son” is Shinji, and Gendo’s ultimate goal has something to do with protecting Shinji (in the usual fucked up Gendo way).


After all this time, I still find it incredible that there is someone in this universe who believes that Gendo ever cared for Shinji for a single second. :???:

The bizarre situation is that for several years I say that Instrumentality is a magic drug that will solve all the problems in the world. Now, I see that the key to Gendo's happiness is a magic syringe :facepalm: . I wanted to see how the psychopath will apply that to himself without appearing to be a heroin addict.

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Postby Cybermat47 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:51 pm

View Original Postone-eyed wrote:After all this time, I still find it incredible that there is someone in this universe who believes that Gendo ever cared for Shinji for a single second. :???:


Which is why I said “in the usual fucked up Gendo way”, meaning that Gendo’s possible “care” results in far more harm than good.
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Postby airman4 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:13 pm

At least gendo didnt pointed a Gun towards Shinji threatening his life ^_^

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Postby one-eyed » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:31 am

airman4 wrote:At least gendo didnt pointed a Gun towards Shinji threatening his life ^_^


Gendo could not be so direct because of Yui. He probably does not know her level of consciousness within Unit 01, so he used a cat's paw: the angels.

This is a biblical strategy to get rid of enemies and keep his hands clean:

King David seduced and impregnated Bathsheba while her husband, Uriah, was at war. The King called the betrayed husband and tried to deceive him so that he had sex with the woman and thought the child was his. It did not work out because he was a soldier and did not think it right to be home with his wife while his brothers in arms were fighting and dying at that moment.

Then the King sent him back to the war with a letter to the general. The letter ordered the general to send Uriah to the strongest enemies so that he would die. After Uriah died, King David married Bathsheba. A more modern version of this story you can see in The Man in the Iron Mask (1998 film) where King Louis XIV (Leonardo DiCaprio) does the same maneuver with Raoul (the son of Athos) to seduce his fiancée Christine.

In NGE, Gendo sent his son with absolutely no training for the war. He knew there was a good chance he would fight and made sure he was totally unprepared. If you do not believe me think about the fight against Gaghiel, he sent his own son, who does not know how to swim, to fight at sea with an Eva who was not equipped for underwater fighting and, the worst, he did not even know if Eva would work with him! (Note that he was not counting on Asuka, see his conversation with Kaji!)). Sometimes, I agree with a comedy Eva fanfiction in which Shinji suspects that his father thinks he is Amuro of Gundam.

Personally, I think Gendo is a fool, but a Lucky Bastard: even when he does shit, he does well, after all it's the avatar of the author, but there are those who think that Gendo is a visionary genius, a master manipulator, a brilliant scientist and a supreme strategist, that is, an invincible Mary Sue. You choose.

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Postby airman4 » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:10 am

Maybe i'm wrong and all but Maybe Gendo is what he is not because he is a fool but because of
YUI

The experimentation, the way it happened seemed to be different in NGE and NTE
One seemed to be an accident if i remember and the new one seemed to be like on purpose , Yui wanted to become "GOD" by dying and merge with Lilith soul

I dont remember correctly but i think it happened those ways , in any case the result seemed to be the same , gendo became only the way he is after that.

To me it doesnt seem to be gendo to be a psycho from the beginning but after YUI became a "GOD"
Also his behavior explains cause he wants to reunite with Yui again
Still i agree with the whole "he is not the father of the year thing"

For the treatment of his pilots, have to do probably with the budget and money, mostly in the old series , i remember Nerv was actually a bunch of amateurs for the NAVY army !



PS : And when Shinji rebelled and refused to get out of the EVA 01 (rebuild 01 i think) , he didnt actually punished Shinji as we punish rebellious soldier in real life (martial court and shoot execution afterwards for the most )


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