Transformers: We Deserve Better Than Michael Bay
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Jeez, and some people on this forum say I bend over backwards to defend filmmakers and movies I like.
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No offence intended but just because racist stereotypes are in the older Transformers cartoons does not mean it will resonate with a modern audiences times change and taste changes it's the reason why Tom and Jerry now have a disclaimer on there box set saying.
“Tom & Jerry” shorts may depict some ethnic and racial prejudices that were once commonplace in American society. Such depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. While not representing the Warner Bros. view of today's society, these shorts are being presented as they were originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed.
They keep it in the cartoons to educate people on these issues but Bay is not educating or breaking the mould to show how its wrong. I get it you like Michael Bay and that's perfectly fine but please don't bend over to defend these stereotypes there really damaging.
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Re: Transformers: We Deserve Better Than Michael Bay
I don't think Chuckman is necessarily defending the man, more of an observation, even though Dadaism is far left nonsense for the most part. Much of the major modern film producers of the USA are in fact part of left leaning corporate bodies themselves, so I don't know what that means about Bay, I suppose he just doesn't care overall and he's making a statement with these films like a child draws somethings rude on a wall or in sand.
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Do I have to write I'm not defending it in bold before people stop accusing me of defending it?
It's a deliberate use of an offensive aspect of Transformers G1 in movies that are harsh Starship Troopers style parodies of G1.
It's a deliberate use of an offensive aspect of Transformers G1 in movies that are harsh Starship Troopers style parodies of G1.
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Whereas I can totally see Bay's Transformers movies as an excersise in Dadaism, I don't think Bay is as skilled a filmmaker as he should be in order to make that clear to his audiences. Verhoven's Starship Troopers and Mel Brooks' Blazing Saddles are able to make their movies in such a way where audiences get what the filmmakers are trying to do. There's no such luck for M Bae. (This'll be Bay's name from here on out.)
Lindsay Ellis is doing a fantastic series that discusses and analyzes Bae's Transformers series on YouTube called The Whole Plate. It's the first academically minded deconstruction of the series so far that I know of.
Lindsay Ellis is doing a fantastic series that discusses and analyzes Bae's Transformers series on YouTube called The Whole Plate. It's the first academically minded deconstruction of the series so far that I know of.
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As someone else has put it; Bay is a slave to his own eye, constantly chasing after spectacle where he can display images faster than the mind can register, but not faster than the eye can follow.
You have objects of varying scale, objects moving in multiple directions, with the camera itself in motion to create parallax, all to service making each shot as dynamic as possible, leading into cuts that are equally as dynamic as possible.
He's good at making scenes feel visceral and creating a tremendous sense of scale, but he's bad at knowing when he should employ them. He's just as likely to accentuate a nothing dialogue exchange where characters are being obnoxious, as important moments where critical plot occurs.
In short, he's developed a knack for tapping into visual cues that grab our attention, but he fires kind of blindly with it, as he's chasing after what he thinks are good cuts, even if the scene itself doesn't justify it.
You have objects of varying scale, objects moving in multiple directions, with the camera itself in motion to create parallax, all to service making each shot as dynamic as possible, leading into cuts that are equally as dynamic as possible.
He's good at making scenes feel visceral and creating a tremendous sense of scale, but he's bad at knowing when he should employ them. He's just as likely to accentuate a nothing dialogue exchange where characters are being obnoxious, as important moments where critical plot occurs.
In short, he's developed a knack for tapping into visual cues that grab our attention, but he fires kind of blindly with it, as he's chasing after what he thinks are good cuts, even if the scene itself doesn't justify it.
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Something I found interesting as someone who has recently gotten into Transformers and learned about the toys as well from the movies because they sometimes cross pollinate with the "regular" Transformers toy line is that the movie had at least three planned waves of toys and only part of the second wave is just now hitting store shelves. The movie is getting a home release before the second wave of toys is even out! This seems odd to me, but maybe these Bay movies are finally done for
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Well it's like the difference between the X-Men and the comic books and cartoons and the X-Men movies.
Which toy do you think a 7year old is more likely to buy Optimus Prime the way he looks like in the original G1 cartoon where he's square and friendly and red? Or Optimus Prime in the bay Farmers movies where he's grey with some barely noticeable red and spikes and has a bad attitude?
Which toy do you think a 7year old is more likely to buy Optimus Prime the way he looks like in the original G1 cartoon where he's square and friendly and red? Or Optimus Prime in the bay Farmers movies where he's grey with some barely noticeable red and spikes and has a bad attitude?
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Re: Transformers: We Deserve Better Than Michael Bay
https://www.polygon.com/2018/2/16/17021 ... ichael-bay
Transformers REBOOT and why NOW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZjnvMGqOtU
There's rumors that after the Bumblebee Prequel directed by Travis Knight. Transformers is planning to hard Reboot for the franchise.
Great for me. I haven't seen any of the movies after the 3rd one.
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Great for me. I haven't seen any of the movies after the 3rd one.
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I dunno. Like, does anyone even care anymore about Transformers movies?
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^ Nope, they lost me at Mark Walberg being a scientist with the whole "bf banging underage gf" thing.
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The underage girlfriend was a dig at the audience of adults demanding that a children’s cartoon cater to them.
The movies actively despise their audience.
The movies actively despise their audience.
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That reminds me of how Anno made the hosbital scene in EOE a direct jab at the otaku but in both cases it has the opposite effect and implies yeah it perfectly fine to date underage girls or wank off on them. Though Shinji does get some serious turn about in EOE the older guy in Transformers gets no real punishment as he should have been put in jail for sleeping with an underage girl, as if you want to send as message like that in my view you show consequences and real punishments.
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Yeah, I guess the adults got confused by the first movie where Megan Fox is all but striped naked for us all to oogle at. Cause that was so directed at children
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The absurd level of male gaze in the first Transformers movie is just Bay saying “why do you care about dumb toys when there are girls, you dork.”
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Because giant fucking robots are awesome! ...... The concept of which Bay still doesn't seem to understand, which is why his default is T&A&E.
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The series lost what little interest I had when Optimus Prime died in 2formers and I didn't care at all about it.
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Oh, you Optimuses do love to sacrifice yourselves, don’t you?
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^ Almost like its DBZ where there's a built in reset button.
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