Settie wrote:For me its NTE Kaworu, it's hard for me to tell if he's suppose to be a good guy type character or not. He offers happiness to Shinji and presents himself as his friend, but there's creepy underhanded manipulative undertones to his interactions with Shinji that makes me doubt if he truly cares about him and is not just some selfish self anointed purpose, that only he can bring him happiness regardless of its cost and consequence to everything else. It's a shame cause i really like NGE Kaworu.

To me, this is one of the best parts about NTE Kaworu. He's so brilliantly written, that on first glance he really does appear to be friendly and selfless to a fault. However, peel back the layers, and his motives become highly questionable. He is the serpent of temptation.

He was giving creepy stalker vibes as early as 1.11. Anything in 3.33 was going to be too good to be true.

I didn't get stalker vibes in 1.0 but I did get them in the post credits scene of 2.0, he seemed really pissed that Shinji did what he did.

Joseki wrote:I didn't get stalker vibes in 1.0 but I did get them in the post credits scene of 2.0, he seemed really pissed that Shinji did what he did.

Jealous of Rei, perhaps? :P

^ Yandare Kaworu? Guess i'm just disappointed that it feels like his arc is unfinished but now with him being dead and all it doesn't seem like i'll get closure on that, unless ghost-Kaworu shows up in the last movie. I get his motivation (Shinji) but not the why behind it, i wanted more from him in 3.0.

Joseki wrote:I didn't get stalker vibes in 1.0

Well, you've got this naked dude standing in a coffin in the vacuum of space talking to a magical floating monolith about mysterious plans that involve Shinji "awakening" according to schedule, and then smirking to himself and saying "BOY I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE YOU AGAIN, IKARI SHINJI-KUN". Anybody (let alone an ominous nudist space vampire) who is paying that much attention to me from that far away and practically licking his lips in anticipation of meeting me is a fucking creepy stalker.

The fact that he woke up on the Moon naked from a coffin and he was able to speak makes it look less important I guess. The stalker-like behavior is not the first, second or third thing I'd question here.

Settie wrote:^ Yandare Kaworu? Guess i'm just disappointed that it feels like his arc is unfinished but now with him being dead and all it doesn't seem like i'll get closure on that, unless ghost-Kaworu shows up in the last movie. I get his motivation (Shinji) but not the why behind it, i wanted more from him in 3.0.

Well Kaworu said to Shinji that they'll meet again, and in EoE he had an important role even if he was dead. I think it's quite probable that he will have at least some screentime and a few lines in Shin.

From my perspective, all of the other weirdness supplements, rather than detracts, from Kaworu's creepy obsession. A regular stalker would be one thing, but Kaworu takes the art to the level of Lovecraftian horror.

I have the opposite view on the matter: he's so alien that his instant obsession seems due to some kind of superior (previous?) knowledge of Shinji and the future events instead of a stalking desire.

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Plus, in Q we actually get to see what he's like when he's not in control, perhaps because he works with Shinji on a more equal level toward a common goal. Shinji finds out more than he ever did in the original, Kaworu is already on his side as opposed to being won over at the last second, & what distance/inequality remains is a plot point in the end.
We see him melancholy about having to tell Shinji the whole truth, a bit helpless about being unable to comfort him, and shocked/ flabbergasted when he realizes the trap or when he speaks about how he used to be feared by humans...

He probably felt just as guilty for leading Shinji into a trap as Shinji does for getting him killed, or rather, probably blamed himself for the poor outcome as much as Shinji did. (Indeed, Shinji was appropriately cautious... but Kaworu talked him into giving his plan a shot.) There was always that aspect where "I don't understand what you're saying, Kaworu-kun!" but this time its a plot point: They react right past each other when the trap becomes apparent and that's precisely why it snaps shut.

The impression is more that he's interested in & admires humanity but doesn't fully understand or, is looking in from an outsider's PoV.

IMHO the very reason he felt so drawn to Shinji (in any continuity) is that they're both destined to destroy the world, or make a choice as to wether their kind will continue to exist or not. Kaworu decides "No more angels", and Shinji, though he gave intrumentality a shot, ends up deciding "Yes, more humans.".
As Kaworu himself says when he introduces himelf (in either continuity) he is "also one of the predetermined children."
Kaworu's all about free will and wanting his own destiny - that death is the only option sometimes is more of a secondary factor. In the words of Shakespeare, "If all else fails, I myself have power to die"

NGE Kaworu is itroduced as different & realizes similarity. (So's his manga counterpart in a different way)
Rebuild Kaworu, at least by the time of Q, already sees the similarity but ends up overlooking how they're different. See how he casually strides through the ruined world while Shinji struggles in his hazard suit, & Kaworu has to remember to stop & help him up, though he eventually does.

Shinji in EoE and Ritsuko for being emo mode because Gendo doesn't give a fuck abouth her (girl, it's Gendo...).

Shinji in the hosbital room and not coming to Asuka's aid during the mass eva fight (EOE) Thank god for the Manga.
Asuka calling Shinji a house broken male yeah I get that she has issues with gender rigidity but he's the guy who makes breakfast and cooks for her and cleans and its really disrespectful.
Gendo touching up Rei in EOE to give her Adam made me feel deeply uncomfortable.
Misato flirting with Shinji he's 14 and has mental trauma and its not healthy for him and needed a her to be a mother figure or mentor, I get why Misato does it she wants to feel wanted and desired but trying to gain this though a young boy is not right.
Ritsuko killing the tank of Rei's because its so cold blooded and in the manga there a horrifying shot where the Rei's look at the kill switch in terror as if they know what coming which implies there not soulless.

Asuka throughout the entire series, and in Rebuild. She is probably the most dishonorable character in the show with no ounce of respect to others, including those trying to reach out to her. If she can't be nice or repay other people's kindness, then how is it that she is even worthy or deserving of any sympathy? Everything that has happened to her, she brought it upon herself. All of her choices is what led her to her downfall and defeat. I'm not sure if she made any self improvements after Instrumentality, if she even did.

I never even liked Gendo, for everything that he did. I say he had what's coming to him. He, like the members of SEELE, is a man worthy of beheading, or other form of execution.

Then there's the entire crew of the Wunder (except for Sakura and Mari). I know they had their reasons to despise Shinji for what he did. But still, I think there should be hell to pay for them. There are sometimes where I feel like doing this to them.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxL8bVJhXCM&t=23s
A tad extreme, I know. But after watching the third film and piratically feeling like being in Shinji shoes, who doesn't want to something like that to them.
I don't know how the final film will end. But if they don't give Shinji and explanation or make up for how they treated him, Well then, all I can say is that I kinda hope something bad might happen to the crew of the Wunder, namely some people in particular.

^I think you should read the title of the thread more carefully.

In that case, Asuka then. I think her attitude could use some more work. Because maybe then, I might actually like her some more. And maybe even respect her.

EoE!Shinji, for the things he did to Asuka. Outside of that, nothin' comes to mind.

C.T.1290 wrote:In that case, Asuka then. I think her attitude could use some more work. Because maybe then, I might actually like her some more. And maybe even respect her.

The thread is about moments you hated characters you normally like. Not characters you thoroughly dislike.

Sachi wrote:The thread is about moments you hated characters you normally like. Not characters you thoroughly dislike.

Well, there is a part of me that actually likes her. It's​ mostly her personality I don't really like.

C.T.1290 wrote:Well, there is a part of me that actually likes her. It's​ mostly her personality I don't really like.

Surely a character is defined by their personality?

Cybermat47 wrote:Surely a character is defined by their personality?

A character is defined by what it does through the show. And bear in mind Asuka does not always do things that matches her real being, her true personality. Her cunt personality can be a little distracting, but I love the character anyways. Don't mind if she is a cunt, it's not like I was perfect and nice all the time... She's not a cunt-and-that's-it.