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Postby Snow » Wed May 03, 2017 4:57 pm

View Original Postbig_big_bozo wrote:Semi-related; I used to chat with a guy that swore by his Asuka x friggin Areal pairing, and he was dead serious. It struck me as incredibly absurd and a just a lil' bit disturbing, but he was hellbent on convincing me otherwise. From what I recall, he basically pitched it as "the only characters that truly understand eachother", given the mind-rape and all. He wrote a ton of fanfiction about it, basically changing the events of Ep 22 to allow for a ""romance"" between the two trans-dimensional lovers to blossom, wherin Arael helps Asuka come to terms with her Mother, while she teaches him the basics of human emotion and vulnerability.

But really, I think it was just a dumb pretense to get his waifu to grind up on some sexy space molecules. The whole Instrumentality ordeal also makes this pairing somewhat irrelevant (and no less stomach churning), but he wasn't budging. Goddamn perv. Still a funny guy tho, and not a bad writer in spite of the subject matter.

This also reminds me of someone that wrote a Giantess smutfic involving GNR, Shinji, AND Kaworu, but I won't go into that weirdo shit in this thread.

As for my favorite pairing, I'm a bit partial to Shinji x Rei, but I acknowledge Shinji x Asuka as the end-all-be-all canon pairing, for obvious reasons.


Either you encountered a very dedicated troll with quite a sense of sarcasm, or a person with some quite differing opinions from the ''standard''.
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Postby big_big_bozo » Wed May 03, 2017 5:21 pm

View Original PostSnow wrote:Either you encountered a very dedicated troll with quite a sense of sarcasm, or a person with some quite differing opinions from the ''standard''.


I've never known of a troll that wrote 100k+ words of psuedo-smut and only distributed it to a few people. I'll go with the latter.

View Original PostSnow wrote: I strongly believe the human cast should stay as far away from angels as it is possible, this including Nagisa.


Idk, I've seen some interesting things done with Kaworu x whoever (usually Rei, Shinji, Asuka, and I swear to god Gendo for some reason, I've seen it like twice it's insane). But from the perspective of maintaining the "sanity" and well-being of your chosen pair, yeah .... Nagisa is nothing but a walking misery compactor (same goes for the rest of the Angels).
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Postby Redgirl01 » Wed May 03, 2017 5:57 pm

View Original Postbig_big_bozo wrote:Semi-related; I used to chat with a guy that swore by his Asuka x friggin Arael pairing, and he was dead serious. It struck me as incredibly absurd and a just a lil' bit disturbing, but he was hellbent on convincing me otherwise. From what I recall, he basically pitched it as "the only characters that truly understand eachother", given the mind-rape and all. He wrote a ton of fanfiction about it, basically changing the events of Ep 22 to allow for a ""romance"" between the two trans-dimensional lovers to blossom, wherin Arael helps Asuka come to terms with her Mother, while she teaches him the basics of human emotion and vulnerability.

But really, I think it was just a dumb pretense to get his waifu to grind up on some sexy space molecules. The whole Instrumentality ordeal also makes this pairing somewhat irrelevant (and no less stomach churning), but he wasn't budging. Goddamn perv. Still a funny guy tho, and not a bad writer in spite of the subject matter.

This also reminds me of someone that wrote a Giantess smutfic involving GNR, Shinji, AND Kaworu, but I won't go into that weirdo shit in this thread.

As for my favorite pairing, I'm a bit partial to Shinji x Rei, but I acknowledge Shinji x Asuka as the end-all-be-all canon pairing, for obvious reasons.


Eww... AsukaxArael? That sounds disgusting. And I can't see Arael helping Asuka.
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Postby C.T.1290 » Wed May 03, 2017 6:44 pm

View Original PostRedgirl01 wrote:Eww... AsukaxArael? That sounds disgusting. And I can't see Arael helping Asuka.

Yeah, considering what the angel did to Asuka.
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Postby Reichu » Thu May 04, 2017 9:38 pm

Arael was a lonely child trying to reach out and understand the world. Gotta realize that the Angels haven't been socialized, so how could they possibly know or care about things like privacy?

Lilin like Asuka don't give one shit about what the enemy actually is, they just want it dead.

Kind of ironic, really, that people who've been raised in a society and have a developed theory of mind are less curious about what and how the Other thinks than people who were born alone and don't de facto have anyone to tell them what "alone" actually means.

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Postby big_big_bozo » Fri May 05, 2017 5:09 am

View Original PostReichu wrote:Arael was a lonely child trying to reach out and understand the world. Gotta realize that the Angels haven't been socialized, so how could they possibly know or care about things like privacy?


Don't misunderstand me, I fully acknowledge the Angels plight. Tragic doesn't even begin to describe it, but shipping the only two characters in the show directly associated with the closest thing to RAPE, regardless of the intent, just strikes me as a bridge too far. That's all I was getting at.

Kind of ironic, really, that people who've been raised in a society and have a developed theory of mind are less curious about what and how the Other thinks than people who were born alone and don't de facto have anyone to tell them what "alone" actually means.


I don't think I would characterize the Angels attempts at "communication" to be a concerted effort to break free from the vicious societal habit of 'Othering', but rather a desperate shot in the dark. I doubt curiosity was ever at play (maybe with the exception of Leliel, based on its "conversation" with Shinji).

Also, it's kinda hard to make a case for reaching an amicable understanding with beings that activley threaten your existence simply by existing in tandem. Not to mention that half of em' are outright hostile without any provocation. Even if a good portion of NERV's personnel harbored curiosity about the Angel's psyche, they likley put this aside for the perceived good of the species. As petty and small minded we humans can be, can't say I blame them in this instance.
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Postby silvermoonlight » Fri May 05, 2017 5:12 am

View Original PostReichu wrote:Arael was a lonely child trying to reach out and understand the world. Gotta realize that the Angels haven't been socialized, so how could they possibly know or care about things like privacy?

Lilin like Asuka don't give one shit about what the enemy actually is, they just want it dead.

Kind of ironic, really, that people who've been raised in a society and have a developed theory of mind are less curious about what and how the Other thinks than people who were born alone and don't de facto have anyone to tell them what "alone" actually means.


Though I'm not going to disagree with the idea that the angels might not be socialized and may be children themselves with Arael I feel like its more a child having a tantrum because he only goes for Asuka's darker memories not her happy ones and its always felt strange to me like it has malice but maybe the malice is about more than just Asuka but more him showing off to the remaining angels going look what I can do, I'm so great.

Pairing wise though I don't believe in relationships founded on cruelty or malice so unless its an AU fanfiction where Arael actions are different and he's betraying the other angels and takes a human form and he and Asuka develop a healthy relationship I cant see it happening.
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Postby Redgirl01 » Fri May 05, 2017 12:01 pm

View Original Postsilvermoonlight wrote:Though I'm not going to disagree with the idea that the angels might not be socialized and may be children themselves with Arael I feel like its more a child having a tantrum because he only goes for Asuka's darker memories not her happy ones and its always felt strange to me like it has malice but maybe the malice is about more than just Asuka but more him showing off to the remaining angels going look what I can do, I'm so great.

Pairing wise though I don't believe in relationships founded on cruelty or malice so unless its an AU fanfiction where Arael actions are different and he's betraying the other angels and takes a human form and he and Asuka develop a healthy relationship I cant see it happening.


I didn't know the angels were children. They're creatures so they're probably ageless. Just because Arael manifested itself as child Asuka doesn't mean it's a child itself.
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Postby Sachi » Fri May 05, 2017 12:27 pm

View Original PostRedgirl01 wrote:I didn't know the angels were children.

There's plenty to support this within the show itself.

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1) It's very early established in the series that Angels and humans share ~99% of the same inherent wave pattern. This connection is confirmed later in EoE when Misato explains to Shinji that Angels are the offspring of Adam, the same way humans (Lilin) are the offspring of Lilith, and that the similarity is such that the Angels could be considered humans who rejected their human forms. The fundamental difference appears to be that Angels bear the Fruit of Life, while Lilin bear the Fruit of Knowledge. The Fruit of Life allows Angels to live as single, monolithic beings of relative immortality, whereas the Fruit of Knowledge is human life as we know it, with information and evolution accumulating over generations. Both are presented in the show to be lonely existences, yet Lilin are unique in that they actually have the opportunity for connections with one another, yet constantly fail on that front.

2) All the Angels featured in the series are confirmed to have been born between Second Impact (Sept 13, 2000), up until the time of the series; the volcano episode even features one of the hatching of an Angel egg, which looks suspiciously like a human fetus before hatching.

3) Not only does Arael manifest itself as child Asuka, Leliel also seems to manifest as child Shinji when they come into contact. The exception is with Rei and Armisael, who appears to her as a fourteen year old, but keep in mind that the is also the episode that we learn of Rei's origins as a clone. The child Rei is reserved for a separate association with the Rei I, the first Rei strangled at the hands of Naoko.

4) And for my favorite Angel, Sachiel: just look at the way wanders through the cities of Japan, mildly bewildered at the strange flying objects shooting small projectiles at it. Even the way the Angel picks up Unit-01 by the head appears to be out of curiosity. Sachiel carries himself like a small child too big for the playground he's in. He's utterly helpless when Unit-01 goes berserk.


Which leads into my contribution for this topic: best pair is SachixUnit-01. I know you've all seen the picture. After that is SachixZeruel, because of the comic. :D I imagine Zeruel as a strong woman that takes no shit and gets shit done.
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Postby Joseki » Fri May 05, 2017 1:32 pm

Keeping the choises in the human/partially human class I'd say that the most fucked up pair would be Ritsuko x Shinji. That would involve so many "not okay" things that I'd actually want to see it.
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Postby RadicalRandy » Fri May 05, 2017 4:49 pm

View Original PostJoseki wrote:Keeping the choises in the human/partially human class I'd say that the most fucked up pair would be Ritsuko x Shinji. That would involve so many "not okay" things that I'd actually want to see it.


Well, there is that one rape FF...
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Postby Kendrix » Sun May 21, 2017 7:44 pm

You heathens the answer is very obvious:
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As for Mari related crack pairings, Mari/Rei doesn't sound to bad they both have a high weirdness tolerance XD
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