So, was emo Asuka really trying to be AN HERO in #24?

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Postby Blue Monday » Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:19 pm

View Original PostSachi wrote:What matters most are her motives during the scene. She had gone there to literally waste away and die; she had lost the motivation to live on. Regardless of whether or not she cut herself, the scene is still Asuka's suicide attempt and where she's hit rock bottom (where we see Shinji during EoE). The red color of the bath tub may simply be a visual allusion to the "Roman Bath."

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Postby Bagheera » Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:32 pm

I will note two things here:

First, she's in a bathtub. That's an odd choice if she's just gonna lay down and die (she could do that anywhere, so why a dirty bathtub?). OTOH it's the locale of choice for folks looking to slit their wrists.

Second, she folded her clothes (neatly no less!). That's extremely odd behavior from Asuka, particularly given her state of mind at the time. But again, it's fairly typical for people looking to check out.

IMO this is, as with other things in the show, something Anno's telling us with subtlety rather than brute force.
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Postby Kendrix » Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:11 pm

You might debate the blood streak, but you can't deny that she looks like an anorexic skeleton.
Her ribs show, her cheeks are gaunt and you could fit a train between her legs.


At best, this is a debate over the suicide method.
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Postby Dream » Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:53 pm

View Original PostKendrix wrote:You might debate the blood streak, but you can't deny that she looks like an anorexic skeleton.
Her ribs show, her cheeks are gaunt and you could fit a train between her legs.


At best, this is a debate over the suicide method.


Pretty much, to be honest i don't know if there is something left to discuss in this thread. Although i wonder why Asuka attempting suicide could be interpreted as her trying to be "An HERO" going by the thread title.
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Postby Fireball » Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:59 pm

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/an-hero
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Postby Bagheera » Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:09 pm

View Original PostFireball wrote:http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/an-hero


It is an odd notion, though. I mean, given the way she did it, it's pretty much the exact opposite of everything the meme represents. Even asking the question is a bit puzzling.
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Postby CJD » Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:15 am

View Original PostBagheera wrote:It is an odd notion, though. I mean, given the way she did it, it's pretty much the exact opposite of everything the meme represents. Even asking the question is a bit puzzling.


While its origin is a very precise type of suicide it's synonymous with "suicide". I don't think I've ever heard someone make the distinction between the two. Then again I haven't seen it used besides an offhand remark in years so maybe that's changed.

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Postby Sachi » Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:01 am

View Original PostKendrix wrote:At best, this is a debate over the suicide method.

This.
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Postby chaosakita » Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:33 am

View Original PostBagheera wrote:It is an odd notion, though. I mean, given the way she did it, it's pretty much the exact opposite of everything the meme represents. Even asking the question is a bit puzzling.


I think OP was being ironic, and the meme is pretty much used ironically.
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Postby Mr. Tines » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:54 am

View Original Postchaosakita wrote:I think OP was being ironic, and the meme is pretty much used ironically.


View Original PostShin-seiki wrote:I put "emo" in the subject field cuz someone in the 'THAT BOARD' thread that inspired this one refered to her that way. I'm afraid constant exposure to 4chan has warped my sensiblities to the point where I just naturally equate suicide with "become AN HERO"..

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Postby Lurkis » Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:11 pm

Anno has been known to change scenes in later versions of NGE in order to push fans away from certain ideas, particularly in cutting out Misato's name after Kaji dies to stop fans from continuing to think she killed him.

To this end, perhaps he changed some of Asuka's details while she was in the hospital bed (which arm the IV is in, bandages around the wrist) in order to push us toward or away from a particular idea.

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Postby Dream » Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:53 pm

That's a very good observation actually. Although unfortunately we can't know for sure if Anno tried to move us in a certain direction or if he just polished the animation a bit. A comparation between the original and Renewal (or whatever) versions could maybe help in that, plus it's a good excuse to watch NGE again.
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Postby Bagheera » Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:09 pm

View Original PostLurkis wrote:Anno has been known to change scenes in later versions of NGE in order to push fans away from certain ideas, particularly in cutting out Misato's name after Kaji dies to stop fans from continuing to think she killed him.

To this end, perhaps he changed some of Asuka's details while she was in the hospital bed (which arm the IV is in, bandages around the wrist) in order to push us toward or away from a particular idea.


I would think the more relevant change is the fact that he emphasized the red in the tub. In the broadcast version it didn't look like blood at all.
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Postby Lurkis » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:09 pm

View Original PostBagheera wrote:I would think the more relevant change is the fact that he emphasized the red in the tub. In the broadcast version it didn't look like blood at all.


Yea I forgot about that one but I you're right. It makes it more obvious that she was indeed trying to off herself. Good thing Anno made it more evident as it is an important plot point.

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Re: So, was emo Asuka really trying to be AN HERO in #24?

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Postby Thomas68 » Mon May 15, 2017 9:44 pm

This post is almost 10 years old, so this is probably a huge gravedigging.

It is strongly imlplied that she indeed cut her wrists, as we can notice later on EoE in TEH HOSPITAL FAP SCENE that she has her wrists covered by gauze and the fact that the orginal scene has some blood in the bathtub.

So, probably yes, she tried to AN HERO.
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