This is pretty basic courtesy, the disregard for which was probably the most obnoxious part of the SD forum. An unpopular opinion would be posited and then five or six people would throw their two cents at this one user. No one wants to have six arguments at once. So a majority of the forum managed to kill any discussion there all on their own.
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Re: EGF: Has It Changed? How? [split]
This is pretty basic courtesy, the disregard for which was probably the most obnoxious part of the SD forum. An unpopular opinion would be posited and then five or six people would throw their two cents at this one user. No one wants to have six arguments at once. So a majority of the forum managed to kill any discussion there all on their own.
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If someone says something that you disagree with, you should, in principle, be able to voice your disagreement. The question to ask yourself first is not, IMO, "how many people have already responded to this person?", but "have any of them already made the same point(s) that I intend to make?" If your post would not actually add anything new (and, no, variations upon "QFT" and "+1" do not qualify), then, yes, it would be better to abstain. If, on the other hand, no one has gone where you intend to go? I can't think of a good reason why a novel voice should be suppressed, especially as this helps defy the notion that a body of disagreement is some sort of monolithic tribal entity.
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Re: EGF: Has It Changed? How? [split]
Yes, if someone says something you disagree with, then yes you should voice your opinion. Having a logical and calm discussion is the best way to go.
However, when it's the same people always going after those with the opposing opinions, and they build off of each other's arguments and respond one after the other in sequence, in what some could consider ganging up on one person who may or may not be trying to voice thier own opinion in a constructive manner, then it appears as Glor said, the forum collapsing on top of one person's opinion.
One could even go so far to say that the ganging up tactics caused several people to go off the rails and end up getting banned whether temporarily or permanently, at least IMO.
However, when it's the same people always going after those with the opposing opinions, and they build off of each other's arguments and respond one after the other in sequence, in what some could consider ganging up on one person who may or may not be trying to voice thier own opinion in a constructive manner, then it appears as Glor said, the forum collapsing on top of one person's opinion.
One could even go so far to say that the ganging up tactics caused several people to go off the rails and end up getting banned whether temporarily or permanently, at least IMO.
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Re: EGF: Has It Changed? How? [split]
Yes, it was very frustrating.
That said, at this point complaining about it is rather moot. Or at least, there's no point in doing it here rather than at SD's new home, if you feel so inclined to follow it.
I feel no such compulsion.
That said, at this point complaining about it is rather moot. Or at least, there's no point in doing it here rather than at SD's new home, if you feel so inclined to follow it.
I feel no such compulsion.
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Re: EGF: Has It Changed? How? [split]
An equally valid reading is that many of those with unpopular opinions persisted in repeatedly expressing them, while showing little to no proclivity toward engaging in discussion, whether it be to a single respondent or to a dogpile of them. One with strong convictions can hardly be blamed for attempting damage control, especially given the current climate of ignorance and misinformation.
A full consideration of all players is required in order to reflect properly and fairly on what went wrong. You can't balance an equation by looking only at one side.
Nor can misbehavior be corrected by pointing the finger somewhere else. Nobody MADE anyone go off the rails. Showing responsibility for one's own actions is a prerequisite for expecting anyone else to do the same.
Not sure what bans you're talking about. Hard to address anything in a meaningful way when there are no specifics.
A full consideration of all players is required in order to reflect properly and fairly on what went wrong. You can't balance an equation by looking only at one side.
Nor can misbehavior be corrected by pointing the finger somewhere else. Nobody MADE anyone go off the rails. Showing responsibility for one's own actions is a prerequisite for expecting anyone else to do the same.
Not sure what bans you're talking about. Hard to address anything in a meaningful way when there are no specifics.
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The tangent here has gotten out of hand and hence banished to the trash heap. Let's keep any further discussion here about the site not about each other's posting habits from here on out.
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Re: EGF: Has It Changed? How? [split]
Since a forum effectively does not exist apart from its members, those members in general are an inherent part of this discussion. Obviously personal slurs or attacks are never acceptable; but talking in principle about tolerance for the means of expression used by others or suggesting asking for clarification rather than displaying intolerance are things that might well be useful from time to time.
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Re: EGF: Has It Changed? How? [split]
pwhodges wrote:Since a forum effectively does not exist apart from its members, those members in general are an inherent part of this discussion. Obviously personal slurs or attacks are never acceptable; but talking in principle about tolerance for the means of expression used by others or suggesting asking for clarification rather than displaying intolerance are things that might well be useful from time to time.
...especially since I now can't give the clarification Bagheera asked about. My post was also not an attack on anyone, merely an advice on how to improve one's posts and general discussion atmosphere. I find it dismaying that it was interpreted as an attack by a Mod.
And yeah, it is an advice that I sometimes ignore myself...
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