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Postby NemZ » Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:27 pm

The scandal is potential gross misuse of international funds, not Yui. She's nothing more than a name.
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Postby Snow » Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:18 pm

View Original PostNemZ wrote:The scandal is potential gross misuse of international funds, not Yui. She's nothing more than a name.


It is highly unlikely that a person on her position would get her face on the Yomiuri Shimbun. Nerv wouldn't allow it, the Government wouldn't allow it, and hell, SEELE wouldn't allow it.
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Postby Bagheera » Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:05 am

View Original PostNemZ wrote:The scandal is potential gross misuse of international funds, not Yui. She's nothing more than a name.


"He may be guilty of killing his own wife!"

"He killed his own wife!"

"Ms. Yui Ikari (27)... ...fell victim to it. ...mistake in control. ...Mistake! Questions of Human Experimentation Man-Made Calamity Bioinformation..."

Doesn't sound like gross misuse of international funds to me. It sounds like the CE made the papers and Gendo got blamed for the fuckup. Either way it seems clear that the Eva project wasn't as big a secret as some seem to assume.
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Postby SoryuUberAlles » Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:02 pm

Indeed. They secretly control big stuff. Seele aren't Aum Shinrikyo. They're the illumaniti.

So there you go. Even if the Y-Rod isn't at 'Madame Secretary' levels you can't imagine she wouldn't be recognised by James Carville. ('the economy, stupid', that guy)
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Postby NemZ » Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:22 pm

Yui is only mentioned as 'drama spice' to demonize Gendo in the press. Nobody knows shit about any of them otherwise. The underlying cause of the hearing however is likely the projects' lack of success, questionable methods, and exceptional cost.
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Postby Bagheera » Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:37 pm

That interpretation does not seem to be supported by the passages in question. At the very least it seems as though Project E was public knowledge in some capacity, even if the particulars were not. Which makes sense, really, given the vast amounts of money being funneled into it; illuminati or no, that sort of thing is going to raise questions that need to be answered.
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Postby Reichu » Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:48 pm

Project E's goals and aims were being veiled by the public facade called the Artificial Evolution Laboratory.
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Postby NemZ » Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:26 pm

The "passages" in question are random people gossiping.
"Here I am in the belly of the beast, and I don't even care. I don't even feel like taking a whiz on this. I used to DREAM of taking a whiz on this!" - The Monarch
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Postby Bagheera » Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:35 pm

View Original PostNemZ wrote:The "passages" in question are random people gossiping.


Newspaper excerpts, actually. And none of them say a thing about misuse of international funds. They do say plenty, however, about Yui and bioethics, which suggests both that she was well-known and that her death was a big deal.
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Postby Reichu » Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:00 pm

You're both only partly right. The comments about Gendo killing Yui are voiceovers of gossip. The scattered incomplete translations are of the newspaper clippings.
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Postby NemZ » Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:46 pm

Naming the victim doesn't require that victim to have been in any way well known. It might as well say "some dead science lady, not old".

And come on, any time there's a government hearing the various players might rant and rave to score points in the soundbite wars but what it really boils down to is either "how do I screw the other party" or "how do I get this funding transferred to my new porkbarrel bill instead" or both.
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Postby SoryuUberAlles » Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:20 pm

Perhaps Yui's name was kept out of the press but headlines like 'Mistake! Questions of Human Experimentation Man-Made Calamity Bioinformation' make it clear people knew some affront to the laws of God and Man went down that day - a very expensive one too. I mean, 'Artifical Evolution' is their cover story!

(and the text does say 'Yui Ikari' btw)

And also btw, there's also a scene in the manga where it's clear that Shinji personally knew people gossipy housewives who whispered about his dad killing his mom (that I shall linky when I find it).

So even if it wasn't just too huge to sweep under the rug or subtly reframe or obscure and even if Yui Ikari isn' the poster child of 'what hath science wrought'... how would she have been kept a secret from people working inside the facility? It seems to me that far too many very high level operators and researchers would know Yui firsthand for Gendou to even consider 'cleaning house.'

But consider another angle - isn't parading Rei around blatantly exposing that he has a cloning program in the first place? The way Ritsuko reveals it to Misato, CO and director of operations, it's like she doesn't even know what dummy plugs are. He'd be giving it away to anyone who sees Rei and knows what Yui looks like. Surely that is the kind of intel that's keeping secret agent Ryoji Kaji in fast cars and vodka martinis?
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Postby NemZ » Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:52 pm

She didn't know what dummy plugs were.

Almost nobody remembers what Yui looked like because Gendo's purged her photos from reality somehow.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:01 am

Diegetically speaking, if Rei didn't get her blue hair and extremely pale appearance from Lilith DNA, then where did those unusual physical traits come from? I mean, her hair is more unusual to Misato's sometimes-indigo-highlited-sometimes-dark-violet-hilighted-mainly-black hair (which is usually a result of artists trying to give depth and shape to black hair), and Ritsuko's blond hair is diegetically shown as being dyed. Regardless of how someone feels about Misato's hair (which I remember being a thread-locking point of contention a while back), bright, crazy bold primary colors aren't the norm for the natural hair colors Evangelion universe (unless it's the more natural red hair), so Rei's Robin Egg Blue hair doesn't even fit with Eva's design aesthetic in a non-diegetic way. Rei is supposed to stick out from the rest of the characters, mostly because of her hair. The viewer is supposed to look at Rei and conclude that her physical origins are vastly different from that of a normal human being, and they would be right in assuming that. But all of the visual ways in which Eva suggests Rei's unusual beginnings (the blue hair, the pale skin) seem to be genetic in some way within the context of the rest of the series' aesthetic. So where did these genetic traits come from? Neither Yui nor Gendo have those particular traits, and the only other source of genetic traits of ny kind come from Unit 01.

Is unusual hair and pale skin just a thing that happens when a character is also related to angels in a fashion more direct than the rest of the human race? (Kaowru seems to have similar physical traits as Rei.)
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Postby Reichu » Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:11 am

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:Diegetically speaking, if Rei didn't get her blue hair and extremely pale appearance from Lilith DNA, then where did those unusual physical traits come from?

Already addressed here: post/857736/A-question-about-Reis-physical-appearance/#857736
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Postby Snow » Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:15 am

The pale skin is indeed refering to the Angels, but the blue hair doesn't really come with that. Well, the only angel with hair is Nagisa, and his hair is Gray/White. Blue really seems far fetched. I have to admit though, Ayanami looks good on it.
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Postby Reichu » Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:31 am

If you use a dropper on the highest quality stills, it turns out that Kaworu's hair is a very pale lavender! (This ties nicely into a part-Katsuragi pedigree, if you're the sort of person to go for that.)

I've noticed that when Lilith develops hair, it's pure white, but when Eva-01 does this (last time we see her in EoE), her hair is blue. Hmm.

Another oddity is that while pale skin supposedly indicates Angelic affiliation with Rei and Kaworu, the Evas -- who are actual copies of the Seeds -- are all dark-skinned.
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Postby Snow » Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:42 am

View Original PostReichu wrote:If you use a dropper on the highest quality stills, it turns out that Kaworu's hair is a very pale lavender! (This ties nicely into a part-Katsuragi pedigree, if you're the sort of person to go for that.)

I've noticed that when Lilith develops hair, it's pure white, but when Eva-01 does this (last time we see her in EoE), her hair is blue. Hmm.

Another oddity is that while pale skin supposedly indicates Angelic affiliation with Rei and Kaworu, the Evas -- who are actual copies of the Seeds -- are all dark-skinned.


Interesting. That could explain the blue hair... And her pale skin would come from Lilith... And general human form, especially her near identical facial features, would be of Ikari's...
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