[LAEM] Would an american Evangelion live-action movie have ever worked if it had been done right?

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[LAEM] Would an american Evangelion live-action movie have ever worked if it had been done right?

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Postby camilopc1234 » Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:56 pm

    With a good director who was really into the anime o with a visionary director like David Lynch
    Maybe with Hideaki Anno or his long collaborator (I don’t remember his name) involved as a supervisor (IF whatever both accepted)
    With a good story faithful to the source material
    With good actors that get into the essence of their characters (and a real life Pen Pen hahaaha)
    With a cast that respects the ethnicity of the character (if that still matters)
    With mind blown VFX
    And with a soundtrack homenage to the original series
Cuould really a Evangelion adaptation make justice to the anime?
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Postby SoryuUberAlles » Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:57 pm

As for a Live Action version...people talk about an Akira one too, but are there any examples of anime trying to go mainstream in the west through live action, besides the new Ghost in the Shell? Makes you realize what an exceptional idea it really is.

Going by Akira, it's an adaptation that veered wildly from the source but became a cult hit in the West in its own right. I don't know how many people came to it from the manga and felt disappointed. David Lynch might be the an obvious counter-point actually. He did make a very well-regarded, commercially unsuccessful 'cult hit' adaptation of a certain sci-fi franchise. Dune fans I know say they weren't happy with his movie. Which is a shame because I've always loved it.

Oh wait, there was Speed Racer. Whatever a fan might say, it really didn't break through. Anime fandom is a cursed dream, I tell you what.
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Postby pwhodges » Mon Mar 06, 2017 3:13 pm

It's not uncommon for anime to go live-action in Japan, though (to take one I know, for instance, Bokura ga Ita - where the anime tells only half the story, but the live-action film goes right to the end). Presumably it's the westernisation and some presumed "standard of quality" or "market expectation" that produces the problem.
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Postby Bagheera » Mon Mar 06, 2017 3:44 pm

The more successful adaptations in Japan are also SoL/drama pieces, which are much easier to adapt than crazy stuff like giant robots and the like. Sensibilities re: SFX are such that adapting the latter is pretty much a non-starter in the West (and in Japan as well, far as that goes; movies like Attack on Titan and even the Rurouni Kenshin Kyoto flicks seem to do okay at the box office, but they're hardly beating down the door -- no doubt the reason why a LA Eva project hasn't been seriously considered even in Japan).
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Re: [LEAM] Would an Evangelion live-action movie have ever worked if it had been done right?... By Hollywood?

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Postby SoryuUberAlles » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:40 pm

View Original Postcamilopc1234 wrote:With good actors that get into the essence of their characters (and a real life Pen Pen)


(I just noticed this) PEN PEN IS NOT REAL. He's a 'hot springs penguin' - he's a hypothetical cross breed between a penguin and the famous Japanese macaque

So there it is right there. SFX barrier.

Um, actually, is it harder to do SFX if it's closely integrated with live action or is it easy to put monkey ears on a penguin these days?
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Postby Guy Nacks » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:38 pm

View Original PostSoryuUberAlles wrote:He did make a very well-regarded, commercially unsuccessful 'cult hit' adaptation of a certain sci-fi franchise.


It is not well-regarded, even by Lynch himself and your statement is somewhat of an oxymoron. To this day, he still bristles whenever the subject of Dune comes up and prefers not to talk about it. Yes, it has a cult following, but by and large most people actively dislike that film.


I don't think a live action version should be attempted at all unless it is trying to bring something new and interesting and smart to the table and isn't just a rehash of everything in the series. It also needs to be in capable hands directorially. The only living directors that could feasibly pull this off are Denis Villeneuve, Steven Spielberg, Christopher Nolan, and Rian Johnson.

Pen Pen should either not be in the film at all or be in the film, but use a real penguin (not CGI) and play down its inherent ridiculousness. Anime tropes and general goofiness transferred to live action is a recipe for schlock and cringe.

There are other suggestions I could make, but it would be a waste of time and energy. Right now, the chances of a love action Evangelion movie being made ever stands at about 2%. If the GITS film is a hit, it goes up to about 7%.

I'd like to also remind you all that the most critically successful Hollywood film based off a manga or anime is a Tom Cruise movie.
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Postby SoryuUberAlles » Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:52 pm

View Original PostGuy Nacks wrote:It is not well-regarded, even by Lynch himself and your statement is somewhat of an oxymoron. To this day, he still bristles whenever the subject of Dune comes up and prefers not to talk about it. Yes, it has a cult following, but by and large most people actively dislike that film.


But that is indeed how it works. He was a classic visionary who was oppressed by the system. He made a film wasn't true enough for the fandom and was too weird for the normies but I think I speak for a large section of the spec-fic viewerdom found it an interesting source interestingly told. The recipe for a cult classic.

Pen Pen should either not be in the film at all or be in the film, but use a real penguin (not CGI) and play down its inherent ridiculousness. Anime tropes and general goofiness transferred to live action is a recipe for schlock and cringe.


Yeah. They do say the only thing that translates worse than mom robots is comedy. Maybe they'll like some stuff more than Japan does though. Like Rei being much more popular than Asuka is over there.

I'd like to also remind you all that the most critically successful Hollywood film based off a manga or anime is a Tom Cruise movie.


I believe it was technically a light novel when it was made into a movie - and that might testify to the fact that power armor and time travel is quite a bit more...'exportable' than Giant Mecha and stuff.
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