If Mari and Asuka are/were Gay. . .

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Postby esselfortium » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:44 am

View Original PostJoseki wrote:What would be the point of this couple? Both in Ha and Q Asuka has been a secondary character heavily hinted as has a romance option for Shinji. We never had any hit of her (or Mari) being bi or lesbian. Mari herself seems to be aware of Asuka's feelings for Shinji and she tried to get them closer.
After the events of Q it wouldn't even be a shock for Shinji since he expects to not be loved by anyone, so I can't really see what would be the purpose of them being together.

Because Shinji isn't the only character, it's been years, and people move on. Nothing he did in 2.0 or 3.0 gives Asuka any reason to be romantically interested in him anyway, and certainly not enough for her to carry a torch for him for a decade and a half. Giving her a relationship with Mari would not only give a good opportunity to develop Mari as a character without taking screentime away from the rest of the cast, but would also give Asuka more of an inner life and generally make it feel less like the Rebuild cast is a series of cardboard cutouts whose lives revolve completely around an impotent lead.

We never had any hit of her (or Mari) being bi or lesbian.


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Postby Joseki » Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:31 pm

View Original Postesselfortium wrote:Because Shinji isn't the only character, it's been years, and people move on. Nothing he did in 2.0 or 3.0 gives Asuka any reason to be romantically interested in him anyway, and certainly not enough for her to carry a torch for him for a decade and a half. Giving her a relationship with Mari would not only give a good opportunity to develop Mari as a character without taking screentime away from the rest of the cast, but would also give Asuka more of an inner life and generally make it feel less like the Rebuild cast is a series of cardboard cutouts whose lives revolve completely around an impotent lead.


My point is that Asuka as a character does revolve completly around Shinji for the whole two movies and it's undeniable. Even in Q she interacts more with Shinji than she does with Mari or Misato, and she's undoubtedly full of emotions for Shinji, so in a way or the other she will have some other development with Shinji.

Making her and Mari a couple wouldn't help Mari's character develpment at all, unless Anno focus the second half of the final movie on the two being reunited instead of trying to answer questions rised in the previous movies. I think that what Anno set up for Final, Mari alone with Wille/Misato, is the best possible scenario for her character and could let the viewer finally know about her intentions and her past.

The only meaningful ship in Rebuilds that had some chances of happeing during the movies and not being something implied in a post-Final scenario was Shinji and Rei but it sank hard in the last movie.

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That's a fallacia ad ignorantiam, if it can be considered as an argumentation.
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Postby Geometer » Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:47 pm

All ships in eva have ended up badly.
Kaji/Misato, Kaji dies, causing Misato to go deeply into grief and essentially ignoring as her two kids have mental breakdowns
Yui/Gendo, Yui trapped in unit 01, Gendo is heartbroken and becomes the bastard king as we know him
Hikari/Toji, The closet thing to happy ending, but toji loses his leg.
Shinji/Rei in NGE/EoE, I doubt that Rei ever felt romantically for Shinji, but Rei the "human" basically dies and becomes Lilith, a goddess who is to watch over but not live with humans, and of course even if she didn't she still has the body of his mother.
Shinji/Asuka in NGE/EoE, Asuka ends up disgusted(and rightfully so) of Shinji by the end.

Honestly I given that track record I would hope that no one is shipped in 3+1. It just bad luck.

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Postby Bagheera » Thu Jan 19, 2017 1:00 pm

View Original PostJoseki wrote:My point is that Asuka as a character does revolve completly around Shinji for the whole two movies and it's undeniable. Even in Q she interacts more with Shinji than she does with Mari or Misato, and she's undoubtedly full of emotions for Shinji, so in a way or the other she will have some other development with Shinji.


That's probably true, but that doesn't mean she doesn't/won't have relationships of her own that don't involve Shinji (though it's worth noting that Suimame's doujins have shown us pretty compelling depictions of Shinji and Asuka working through their issues even as Asuka and Mari are in a relationship of their own -- I don't know how (or if) there was a final resolution there, but it was both believable and very Eva so I can only shrug at people who claim there's no way to make it work going forward).

That's a fallacia ad ignorantiam, if it can be considered as an argumentation.


I don't think it was meant to be anything more than a joke.

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Kaji/Misato, Kaji dies, causing Misato to go deeply into grief and essentially ignoring as her two kids have mental breakdowns[/quote]

Oh, come on. They'll get better.

Yui/Gendo, Yui trapped in unit 01, Gendo is heartbroken and becomes the bastard king as we know him


This is what happens when you fixate on someone who just isn't into you.

Hikari/Toji, The closet thing to happy ending, but toji loses his leg.


It's just a flesh wound! I'm sure he'll walk it off and he'll be fine.

Shinji/Rei in NGE/EoE, I doubt that Rei ever felt romantically for Shinji, but Rei the "human" basically dies and becomes Lilith, a goddess who is to watch over but not live with humans, and of course even if she didn't she still has the body of his mother.


It's just as well. Hooking up with eldritch abominations in the bodies of clones of your mom probably isn't the hottest idea anyway.

Shinji/Asuka in NGE/EoE, Asuka ends up disgusted(and rightfully so) of Shinji by the end.


Familiarity does breed contempt . . .


More seriously, The relationships we see in the show are all brief snippets in time. All of the characters mentioned could (and hopefully would!) grow and evolve with time, and in so doing would either grow into their respective relationships or move on to bigger and better things. That's just how things work in real life when you have 60+ years to work with as a healthy adult.
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Postby Gus Hanson » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:03 pm

All I can and could say was that if they are/were, it's their business unless Anno gives in to the customary fan service promise at the end of every Eva anime project and shows them kissing at least.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Thu May 18, 2017 8:13 am

You're all wrong. Mari and Maya are gay for each other. Asuka is obviously jealous, but won't admit it. Mari sees this and teases Asuka as a result.

This is fact.


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