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Postby esselfortium » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:38 pm

View Original PostKRandMJ wrote:Hey to the people that watched the film, was the theater packed?


The theater was surprisingly pretty packed where I went on Tuesday.

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Postby MuscleRobo » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:31 am

View Original PostKRandMJ wrote:Hey to the people that watched the film, was the theater packed?


I went Tuesday night and it was sold out

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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:39 pm

I went Wednesday night, and it was packed. (Though, I did bring, like, 12 of my friends with me. We took up about a row and a half total.)

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Postby KRandMJ » Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:39 pm

View Original Postesselfortium wrote:The theater was surprisingly pretty packed where I went on Tuesday.
MuscleRobo wrote:I went Tuesday night and it was sold out
FreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:I went Wednesday night, and it was packed. (Though, I did bring, like, 12 of my friends with me. We took up about a row and a half total.)

Well that's interesting, I saw the film on Thursday; excluding myself and a party of 5, the theater had less than 50 people in a 250 capacity auditorium.
I asked staff, and they told me that on Tuesday they were practically booked, with Wednesday being "packed".

Will anyone here; re-watch Shin-Godzilla during the weekend/whenever?
I'm guessing that weekend ticket-sales will be better compared to my Thursday screening. (at least I hope so)

I want an economic incentive for Anno; to release his future films to international markets ASAP.
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Postby robersora » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:34 pm

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I doubt, that the international releases are capable of amounting to more than a drop in the bucket after the phenomenal box Japanese box office.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:33 pm

^ I doubt as well, but that certainly didn't stop me from trying to sell-out the screening by inviting everyone I knew who was breathing. :wink:

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Postby Guy Nacks » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:53 pm

According to Box Office Mojo, Shin Godzilla made $1,039,305 in the U.S. during the week of Oct 7-13, placing 15th overall.

It played in 421 theaters, for an average theater take of $2,469.
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Postby NAveryW » Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:06 am

It opened on Tuesday, though. That doesn't give an accurate reading of its weekly earning.
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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:48 am

SHIN GODZILLA should most likely go on to be the biggest non-DRAGONBALLZ* moneymaking theatrical release Funimation Films has had since they started doing this a few years ago. I know Funimation Films did a traditional, but very small-scale, regular theatrical release for The Boy & the Beast (wow did that movie disappoint in my opinion) but I'm very curious to see if Funimation will try & play with the big boys by giving Makoto Shinkai's YOUR NAME a large legitimate theatrical release. If they did proper marketing & hired a real name or two to put on the poster I could see that being a modest hit on 500 to 1,000 screens nationwide. At the very least I hope Funimation will be smart enough to get the film to run in one theater before the end of the year so they can try & push for a Best Animated Film run at the Oscars. Not because the Oscars mean anything, mind you, but simply because it would heighten national awareness of that film by about 6,000%. Sony Classics is doing it for Ghibli's THE RED TURTLE. One can only hope Funimation has the wherewithal to do the same.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/studio/chart/?studio=funimation.htm

*At a gross of over $8 million I wonder if we'll ever see Funimation release a title that'll top it. Even when they do this kind of theatrical release for EVANGELION: FINAL (the infrastructure is now there for a Japanese language/English subtitled Evangelion film to play in US theaters so happy days!) I doubt it will surpass that.

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Postby KRandMJ » Sat Oct 15, 2016 3:22 pm

View Original PostGuy Nacks wrote:According to Box Office Mojo, Shin Godzilla made $1,039,305 in the U.S. during the week of Oct 7-13, placing 15th overall.

It played in 421 theaters, for an average theater take of $2,469.

That sounds about right, do you know if the site excludes the theater's cut of the ticket-sales? (it's about 20%)
For the cinema I saw the film at; having 250-seats for $12.00 a ticket, they made about $3,000. (minus 20%) it's roughly $2,400.

It's safe to say that the film can double it's money to $2,100,000 by Oct-18.
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Unfortunately it will only make $2,100,000 by Oct-18.
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Postby Rei IV » Sat Oct 15, 2016 4:13 pm

I just recently got back from watching the film in Hartford, Connecticut. The theater there was the ONLY place where tickets were cheap ($8.75) and reservations were not needed. Attempting to get them (the reservations/tickets) in Boston, Cambridge, and Revere was a fucking nightmare (I'm a Massachusetts native) as they were ALL sold out. I almost did not get to see it. Any who, it was a fantastic experience. Along the 2014 American Godzilla, Shin's Godzilla are the best incantations of the Big G to ever grace the silver screen. To me what stood out to me in the movie was
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playing on the 2011 Tohoku earthquake and tsunami, the Fukushima disaster, as well as the film's "humanistic", if you want to call it, message towards the end of the film.

I just also wanted to note that this film feels A LOT like Evangelion, including its "message" and the symbolism behind
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Godzilla's tail the with the humanoid-looking Godzillas
Hell, it even used some music cues from the series and 3.0/Q (the film).

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Postby C.A.P. » Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:07 pm

Going out of my self-imposed exile (again) from this forum to say this.

This is the best film Anno has done that is not Evangleion related (and I'm talking as someone who hasn't seen much Godzilla movies). I don't know how he did it, but he even surpassed his previous live action films. As much as I hate to agree with Gendo'sPapa, he's right: This is the most mature and fully formed live action film he's ever done.
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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:18 pm

Why would you hate to agree with me? Have I committed some sin?

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Postby CommanderFish » Sat Oct 15, 2016 7:09 pm

Just saw this film (on the last day it was showing, I believe).

I really liked it, and I especially like that Anno obviously did his own thing with it. It seems like he said exactly what he wanted to say with this movie. I think someone has said this already, but it seemed like more of a political commentary than it did a monster flick. (The satire was real with that naming business.)

It was also one of the most fast-paced movies I've ever seen. Obviously that's not a complaint though, as almost every second is used to ultimately benefit the film as a whole. It's laser focused for its entire duration, and I think that's quite an achievement.

The action scenes, while sparse, were all incredible (basically just like Eva). The scene with Godzilla around the middle of the film in particular was just... so awesome (and I use that word in its real meaning, too).

I've got a lot more to say, but I think I'll leave it at there, for now. I still have to watch Love & Pop before I say this is Anno's best live-action work, but I'd be surprised...
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Postby Rei IV » Sat Oct 15, 2016 7:44 pm

I wanted to ask you guys a question about something that I feel is being blown out of proportion by hysterical, over analytical fans regarding the film's political "undertones" in a lot reviews.

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Just what the hell is with it people claiming Shin Godzilla is "right-wing" and making accusations of alleged anti-Americanism (or at least not presenting it in a favorable light)? The most I got out of the movie is Japan, as a nation, having the right to agency to make it own decisions in the political/international arena WITHOUT having depend on us, the USA, which is a big difference than anti-Americanism. If it was so "right-wing", why does film show Japan working along other nations (France and Germany) in planing to attempt to thwart Godzilla, as well as the Japan working alongside the US in the end completely changing the plan of dropping the atom bomb on the country? How about the "humanistic" message about stopping Godzilla for ALL of humanity's sake and the world. THAT'S "right-wing"? Is it because of Satomi Ishihara's performance as Kayoko Ann Patterson? Her character and acting is bit hokey and contrived but it's not like she's made out to look bad and is shown eagerly wanting to work alongside the Japanese. The movie also showed Japan, the Japanese, and its government being pretty incompetent and at times, not in favorable light either. There's even a line referencing Imperial Japan that condemns its. Seriously? What gives? Yeah, I understand people have different opinions and will interpret things differently but I feel like some of these claims are desperately reaching.

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Postby Reichu » Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:11 pm

Rei IV:
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Some possibilities:

- A lot of people are so sensitive to criticism that any at all is going to be mentally exaggerated to the fullest extent. Here, criticism, however moderate and deserved, against the US is perceived as a personal attack.
- "Depiction =/= endorsement" is a concept lost on many.
- There's that whole tired meme about Anno just wanting to get under the audience's skin because he's a "troll". Believing that you're being "trolled" conveniently prevents you from having to put any actual thought into what you're being shown.
- Manufactured outrage is a form of social bonding and needs no greater justification.

It seemed clear to me that Anno was an equal opportunity critic, lashing both Japan and the US in equal measure. At the same time, he gave the film plenty of room to show the positives. It was really balanced. The overall message was about as far from right-wing nationalism as you can get, too.

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Postby Rei IV » Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:12 pm

View Original PostReichu wrote:Rei IV:
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Some possibilities:

- A lot of people are so sensitive to criticism that any at all is going to be mentally exaggerated to the fullest extent. Here, criticism, however moderate and deserved, against the US is perceived as a personal attack.
- "Depiction =/= endorsement" is a concept lost on many.
- There's that whole tired meme about Anno just wanting to get under the audience's skin because he's a "troll". Believing that you're being "trolled" conveniently prevents you from having to put any actual thought into what you're being shown.
- Manufactured outrage is a form of social bonding and needs no greater justification.

It seemed clear to me that Anno was an equal opportunity critic, lashing both Japan and the US in equal measure. At the same time, he gave the film plenty of room to show the positives. It was really balanced. The overall message was about as far from right-wing nationalism as you can get, too.

Reichu, thank you so much for your response! To add on to that

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The only real "nationalist" sentiment I see with the movie is Japan wanting (yearning) more agency when it comes to making its own decisions as not only a nation but in the political/international arena as well. I see nothing wrong with that as we've been "protecting" the Japanese for seven decades and they shouldn't always have to adhere to US interests even if they're under our protection! They should be able to call the shows now and then with or without our presence and permission. I read some comments that was basically making the claim that China and maybe even South Korea would not show the movie in their respective countries (because historical tensions/grievances and somewhat sour relationships between them and the Japanese) DESPITE Shin Godzilla HAS NOT even been released entirely worldwide and those two countries (China and South Korea) are mentioned as the many nations that Toho will distribute the film to. It drives me bonkers how people could spread such misinformation and disingenuous claims like that! Here's a great review that sums up my sentiments exactly about the film and its ending.

http://www.idigitaltimes.com/shin-godzi ... ers-562623

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Postby KRandMJ » Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:26 pm

:chinscratch: What are Anno's political belief's?
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Postby Guy Nacks » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:02 pm

I don't believe he's very politically active at all. There are only a couple things that we can glean from his statements or works that might shed some light on his political beliefs.

He's admitted to being close to agnostic and doesn't adhere to any tenants of organized religion.

Being that he tends to have strong female characters in his works, one can logically assume that he would most likely be in favor of women's rights (i.e. equal pay, abortion, etc.). Being agnostic makes it all the more likely that he's pro-choice.

Shin Godzilla is pretty obviously a satire of how ineffectual bureaucracy can be, so there's that.

I can't think of anything else off the top of my head.
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Postby Tumbling Down » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:05 am

I think it's possible that Anno is heteronormative, given how he portrayed the one same-sex pairing in the show.

(It's finally sunk in that I'm not going to be able to see this during its theatrical run. Digital release of Shin Goijra when?)

View Original PostRei IV wrote:I just recently got back from watching the film in Hartford, Connecticut. The theater there was the ONLY place where tickets were cheap ($8.75) and reservations were not needed. Attempting to get them (the reservations/tickets) in Boston, Cambridge, and Revere was a fucking nightmare (I'm a Massachusetts native) as they were ALL sold out.

Hey, small world! We're in the same state! The theater in Revere is actually the one I've been trying to get a ride to. If what you say is true, though, getting a ride there won't even guarantee I get into the theater.


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