How Hideaki Anno ruined my life.
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^It's a Nadia reference too. They find flowers growing in the ruins of Atlantis long after it was destroyed by the Light of Babel.
@ChaddyManPrime: She does. That Eva was advertised as Unit 08 in the preview at the end of 2.0 but was supplanted by Eva 13 and Mari's normal Eva 08 in the final movie.
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As an outsider to this debate, it's interesting that the responses have concentrated on explaining Q, without mentioning that a lot of analyses here saw already 2.0 as setting Shinji up for a big fall down the line (presumably after an episode 20-21 style interlude that would, based on the next episode PV, form at least the first part of 3.0) -- and those were the positive ones.
The sentiment that Q ruined the GAR-Shinji end of 2.0 is the norm across much of the internet; here you are amongst the contrarians.
They say a picture is worth a thousand words -- this is the picture you were painting:
The sentiment that Q ruined the GAR-Shinji end of 2.0 is the norm across much of the internet; here you are amongst the contrarians.
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Mr. Tines wrote:As an outsider to this debate, it's interesting that the responses have concentrated on explaining Q, without mentioning that a lot of analyses here saw already 2.0 as setting Shinji up for a big fall down the line (presumably after an episode 20-21 style interlude that would, based on the next episode PV, form at least the first part of 3.0) -- and those were the positive ones.
I personally never cared for explanations for Q. 14 years is plenty enough time to allow whatever needs to happen in order for the world to get that screwed up, especially when you already have a few mysterious Marks, a lance or two, and a giant goddess in the basement being decapitated.
Besides, for as much plot as there is to explore in any Evangelion series, it's always taken a back seat to the characters. That's one of the things I've always enjoyed about any version of the series. In EoE I didn't care so much about where the Angels came from inasmuch as I cared about what was going on wth Shinji.
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Well, it did (it was actually ended at the end of Ha, but the GAR fans don't wanna pay attention to that). But that was rather the point, since this is Eva: fighting spirit isn't gonna save the day, and it never has in this show. People who are disappointed in Q are mad at Eva for being Eva, not at anything particular to Q. To which I say, "Oh well!" At the end of the day it's just a cartoon, so there's no real reason to get worked up about it.
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GAR?
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2.0 practically beat you over the head telling you that GAR-Shinji was a bad thing. He's still like that in 3.0 and that attitude is how he keeps digging himself deeper and deeper into a hole. I think it makes people really uncomfortable to see a protagonist power fantasy have actual, dire consequences for a change.
Bagheera wrote:People who are disappointed in Q are mad at Eva for being Eva, not at anything particular to Q.
I have seen several people complain "[thing Q did] ruined the franchise!" when said element was also present in the original series. I don't know if their memories are clouded by nostalgia or what.
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I'm pretty sure Evangelion causing depression has been a joke(with real truth to it) around here for some time. Personally, I can attest. I've shown the show to several people and I've noticed their moods drop. The guy who even introduced it to me was exhibiting some symptoms of depression. I personally suffer from a (lightening) depression and I have been distancing myself from the series because of it.
It is unfortunate, because Eva is such a great series... but one of the reasons it's so great is because of the depressive messages it delivers. It's what make Eva stand out, and I really think Q drove that point home as well. A lot of people aren't cool with Q but I think the psychological trauma, mixed with the short-sightedness given to the viewer, is what made it so good. It's what made EoE so good.
It is unfortunate, because Eva is such a great series... but one of the reasons it's so great is because of the depressive messages it delivers. It's what make Eva stand out, and I really think Q drove that point home as well. A lot of people aren't cool with Q but I think the psychological trauma, mixed with the short-sightedness given to the viewer, is what made it so good. It's what made EoE so good.
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BlueBasilisk wrote:2.0 practically beat you over the head telling you that GAR-Shinji was a bad thing. He's still like that in 3.0 and that attitude is how he keeps digging himself deeper and deeper into a hole. I think it makes people really uncomfortable to see a protagonist power fantasy have actual, dire consequences for a change.
I actually really like GAR-Shinji as a character (while recognizing it as a personality flaw and not a completely positive development), which makes it even easier to appreciate that 3.0 should put the nail in the coffin for the Shinji haters who always say things like, "He's so emo. If I was in his place I wouldn't act like that. I'd be such a badass."
Yeah, GAR-Shinji is badass. It makes nothing better.
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The ending is pretty ambiguous, and can come off as a bad ending, at least very somber. Plus, Asuka and Misato's deaths might have been unnerving and distracting from the rest of the film. But I liked it. Don't see it as a bad ending very much at all. The children made it through Third Impact and have the change to be happy. Good enough for me, anyway.
3.0 was also a thing, I don't hate it and I even like how radically different it is from NGE. I can't say I saw NGE or Rebuilds right when they came out, but this is what I was hoping for going into Rebuild when I was binging the series. Again, good for me, not so much for people who aren't into "deconstructions"* like NGE.
*Best thing I can describe Evangelion as, though I don't think I fully understand the term "deconstruction" (when referring to anime) to confidently call Eva one.
3.0 was also a thing, I don't hate it and I even like how radically different it is from NGE. I can't say I saw NGE or Rebuilds right when they came out, but this is what I was hoping for going into Rebuild when I was binging the series. Again, good for me, not so much for people who aren't into "deconstructions"* like NGE.
*Best thing I can describe Evangelion as, though I don't think I fully understand the term "deconstruction" (when referring to anime) to confidently call Eva one.
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Q did everything I wanted from Eva.
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I meant to elaborate further.
The fact that it put Shinji in a place where he wasn't expected to pilot and where he had no encouragement until he met Kaworu is one of 3.0's best strengths. Shinji usually put himself in that place mentally, on his own, but here it was external in addition to internal. It makes his catatonia at the end all the more believable. As an action fan, I appreciated the 4-way Eva + 12 Angel + Wunder fight at the end too.
I enjoyed the place they put Asuka: concerned over the mission versus simply herself, skills and external perception. Granted that was resolved in 2.22 and she's also mentally 28 in Q. She works as a team and even encourages it with Mari.
Misato is the absolute commander of WILLE and it's nice to see her in that role.
I could go on, but I felt my simple needed some elaboration.
The fact that it put Shinji in a place where he wasn't expected to pilot and where he had no encouragement until he met Kaworu is one of 3.0's best strengths. Shinji usually put himself in that place mentally, on his own, but here it was external in addition to internal. It makes his catatonia at the end all the more believable. As an action fan, I appreciated the 4-way Eva + 12 Angel + Wunder fight at the end too.
I enjoyed the place they put Asuka: concerned over the mission versus simply herself, skills and external perception. Granted that was resolved in 2.22 and she's also mentally 28 in Q. She works as a team and even encourages it with Mari.
Misato is the absolute commander of WILLE and it's nice to see her in that role.
I could go on, but I felt my simple needed some elaboration.
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Maybe im a lillte bit late to the party, and i will try not to hate about ur post but...
First of all, if u think that the end of the series (NOT EoE) is depressing u have a problem. If u cant see its positive message either u have to rewatch it again or u dont have enough mental capacity to understand it. If its the second case, i gotta tell u, this anime is not for u.
Second, for what im reading, u like better the films than the tv series, if thats the case, go watch another anime, cause there are TONS of animes in wich the protagonist is a baddass and saves the world, and saves the girl and all that stuff (wich in my opinion is not bad, but Evangelion is not about that).
First of all, if u think that the end of the series (NOT EoE) is depressing u have a problem. If u cant see its positive message either u have to rewatch it again or u dont have enough mental capacity to understand it. If its the second case, i gotta tell u, this anime is not for u.
Second, for what im reading, u like better the films than the tv series, if thats the case, go watch another anime, cause there are TONS of animes in wich the protagonist is a baddass and saves the world, and saves the girl and all that stuff (wich in my opinion is not bad, but Evangelion is not about that).
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