How can a dummy plug work if it does not contain an actual soul?

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Re: How can a dummy plug work if it does not contain an actual soul?

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Postby Reichu » Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:46 pm

The MP Evas do execute some rather complicated maneuvers in the realm of "shit we never see a pilot do" (not even Asuka with her mama's help)... Levitating to cloud level and beyond, projecting an image of the Sephirotic Tree in the sky, having precise control of their S2 engines, triggering huge-ass explosions, generating AATFs, and so on. It makes me wonder exactly how the dummy system functions. Just how does it translate Seele's instructions into the Evas actually doing stuff? It's not like you can talk to the DS the way you can talk to a person. The Rei DS is rather less mysterious, as it seems to have acted on nothing more than "destroy X target", a command that is incredibly simple compared to what the MPs must be working with.

Out of curiosity, why are you wondering? Is this for a fanfic or something?
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Postby TraxXavier » Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:05 am

> Out of curiosity, why are you wondering? Is this for a fanfic or something?

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Postby TraxXavier » Sun Jun 19, 2016 4:55 pm

I just stumbled upon another inconsistency.
In ep17 minute 6 and a half, Ritsuko and Gendo are talking about the dummy plug system. There in he orders it to be installed in units 01 and 02. How is that possible? So apparently Rei must be compatible with unit 02 how's that?

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Postby pwhodges » Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:14 pm

I've always just assumed that the dummy plug was in some way less specific and so more compatible. Unit-01 rejects it later not because of incompatibility (it's already worked, after all), but because Yui's not having any more of that nonsense thank you very much.
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Postby BlueBasilisk » Sun Jun 19, 2016 6:02 pm

Rei offered to pilot Unit 02 in Magma Diver and only Asuka objected. The pilot compatibility thing isn't terribly consistent.
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Postby Sachi » Sun Jun 19, 2016 7:20 pm

View Original PostBlueBasilisk wrote:Rei offered to pilot Unit 02 in Magma Diver and only Asuka objected. The pilot compatibility thing isn't terribly consistent.

Did Rei offer to do the mission in Unit-02 specifically? IIRC, Asuka objected because she didn't want to be shown up by Rei, not because Rei would be using Unit-02 in her place. My memory is kinda hazy on how that interaction played out exactly.
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Postby BlueBasilisk » Sun Jun 19, 2016 7:49 pm

Yeah, at least she does in the dub. I haven't seen the subbed version of the episode. Asuka has her tantrum because of the D-type equipment and Rei says she will pilot Unit 02.
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Postby pwhodges » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:11 am

Again, I always took that as showing that Rei's relationship with the Evas was fundamentally different, because Lilith etc.
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Postby TraxXavier » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:26 pm

View Original PostBlueBasilisk wrote:Yeah, at least she does in the dub. I haven't seen the subbed version of the episode. Asuka has her tantrum because of the D-type equipment and Rei says she will pilot Unit 02.

That's a good one, I missed that.

Again, I always took that as showing that Rei's relationship with the Evas was fundamentally different, because Lilith etc.

Nah that may work with EVA 01 ad its made of Liliths flesh.

But how could that work for Adam based EVA's?

The pilot compatibility thing isn't terribly consistent.

I think that is the only thing that is consistent, the lack of consistency :p
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Postby AuraTwilight » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:27 pm

Rei's soul IS the mother of all mankind. She probably has compatibility with all possible Evangelions on that merit alone, even if they would be better served by the actual children of the mother.
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Postby Reichu » Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:39 pm

View Original PostTraxXavier wrote:Nah that may work with EVA 01 ad its made of Liliths flesh.

Kaworu could only pull off that stunt with Eva-02 because Kyoko had 'shut herself away'. Yui decidedly is not guilty of that, so similar logic cannot apply. [Sorry, brain wasn't all there when I wrote this.]
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Postby Bagheera » Wed Jun 22, 2016 12:56 pm

View Original PostReichu wrote:Kaworu could only pull off that stunt with Eva-02 because Kyoko had 'shut herself away'. Yui decidedly is not guilty of that, so similar logic cannot apply.


How is that relevant to the matter of Rei piloting Unit 02?
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Postby Reichu » Wed Jun 22, 2016 1:11 pm

Pretty sure I just misinterpreted something and typed up a canned response.
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