at which point were you most angry/frustrated/disappointed with a character

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Postby zlink64 » Mon Mar 28, 2016 5:18 pm

Only time I felt "disappointed" with a character that I can remember was in ep 19 when Kensuke calls Shinji and bitches about not being an eva pilot. I remember thinking "really dude...stfu." Bad friend moment.
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Postby mammaluser » Sun Apr 03, 2016 5:25 pm

At number one is basically Shinji in EoE, because he basically stood there and did nothing at all, even unit 01 had to do something for him when he was in the cage.
Number two is Shinji in 2.22, when he saw unit 03 approching and he didn't do anything, i mean he was so selfish, he ejected Rei himself from unit 00 in the end of 1.11, why didn't he tought of that during that fight?!
Number three is Asuka in NGE overall, she tought that she knew everything, she thought that she was the best of the best (and in some way she was), but when she saw that she wasn't as strong as she tought she was, she was/is naive during the hole saga and altought she has "grown up" a little in 3.33 she still is a little cocky.
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Postby Chuckman » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:16 pm

Oh Rits-chan, you could have done so much better.

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Postby Reichu » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:19 pm

View Original Postmammaluser wrote:Number two is Shinji in 2.22, when he saw unit 03 approching and he didn't do anything, i mean he was so selfish, he ejected Rei himself from unit 00 in the end of 1.11, why didn't he tought of that during that fight?!

The Angel was holding the plug in. Ejecting it wasn't possible; the bridge crew tried it.

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Postby mammaluser » Sun Apr 03, 2016 8:10 pm

View Original PostReichu wrote:The Angel was holding the plug in.


He could have at least tried, i mean he's in an eva.
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Postby Chuckman » Sun Apr 03, 2016 8:51 pm

I don't think you could blame him for that, how could he pry the entry plug loose without killing Asuka?

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Postby mammaluser » Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:11 pm

Im getting a little gendo here but... one just hopes for the best, whatever happened at that moment the dummy syst. was going to be tested anyway.
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Postby Reichu » Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:13 pm

View Original PostChuckman wrote:I don't think you could blame him for that, how could he pry the entry plug loose without killing Asuka?

But if only he'd tried, then he could have at least exposed Eva-01 to Angelic contamination actively instead of passively!

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Postby BC Baron » Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:59 pm

The Lance is still available in NERV's basement (didn't Misato give Shinji the nickel tour in 1.11 just prior to Op Yashima?). Maybe use it to temporarily incapacitate Unit-03 just long enough to rescue Asuka. Then use it again to permanently incapacitate Bardiel. Return it to it's storage case once the angel stops moving.

I agree it's not quite as flashy as catching a falling angel from orbit, but at least it would've been more of a variation from the original battle that played out with Touji.
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Postby SawItAtAge10 » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:40 pm

I would like to add (and I shudder saying this since she's one of my faves) Misato. Specifically, that very last moment during episode 24. Retroactively speaking, this is the very last actively "real" moments in NGE before everything gets all ethereal, surreal, space, and hallucinatory. Thus, both Shinji and the audience need her to say something meaningful, comforting or at least insightful. This last desperate thread of hope is ripped apart when Misato tells Shinji that he [Kaworu] chose to die for a false hope.

I feel like this, in that moment, was the wrong thing for Misato to tell Shinji. Also, if she was so concerned about Kaworu's unearthly nature, then why did she let Shinji sleep at his house (which of course begs the question of why wasn't she keeping a better eye on him?)

I just feel like Misato became increasingly detached during the Descent Arc, but she probably should have had Shinji with her as much as possible after the reveal at the end of episode 23. I mean really, after Ritusko's breakdown, did Shinji and Misato just casually walk out (that car ride home must've been awkward)?
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Postby Reichu » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:53 pm

Misato, not unlike Ritsuko, ended up "repeating the sins of the parent" despite concerned efforts not to. Against severe adversity, she discovered how poorly suited to parenthood she was, and escaped from her emotional obligations into work -- much as her father did. EoE even punctuates this transformation by having Misato's final moments precisely echo Dr. Katsuragi's.

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Postby BC Baron » Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:18 pm

View Original PostSawItAtAge10 wrote:I would like to add (and I shudder saying this since she's one of my faves) Misato...

Well, she's certainly not one of my faves, but I would like to nominate her for a (dis)honorable mention. Specifically, I refer to her absolute failure to immediately notify Shinji when Touji was drafted to be the Fourth Child.

If you go back several episodes and take into account her petty criticism of Shinji in the aftermath of his non-berserker-mode victory against Shamshel (which also happened to provide NERV with its first and only intact S^2 engine sample, thank you very much), her silence on the matter of Mr. Suzuhara is a superlative example of hypocrisy and/or weakness. Take your pick.

I mean, here she is trying to pull rank on Shinji and make him feel like crap for not following orders. How the hell do you legitimately expect a fourteen year old kid to understand the chain of command after maybe a couple weeks of training? You guys threw Shinji out there against both the third and fourth angels with a negligible amount of preparation, zero backup, and virtually no strategy. And yet, he just went two for two. Shut up and take the damn win! I only wish that, by the end of episode four, Shinji had followed up his decision to rejoin NERV by graciously accepting their original offer of living by himself in his own apartment! Maybe it would've been easier for Shinji to respect Misato as a superior officer if he didn't have a front row seat to every single one of her drunken binges! But I digress!

Okay, let's all calm down for a moment. I guess, according to Misato, it would appear that Shinji is supposed to act with the utmost militaristic professionalism at all times, but, regardless of how many angels he defeats/# of times he saves NERV's ass, he should still be treated on a need to know basis. As it turns out, the identity of another pilot who might very well be putting their life on the line next to him in battle is info that requires a level of security clearance he just simply doesn't deserve.

Back when Misato decided to get all high and mighty with Shinji (because, well, let's face it, he made her look bad), the kid was still just a rookie, hoping he could remember the location of NERV's bathrooms. I would consider that a mitigating factor and let the kid off the hook. By about the middle of the series, however, as soon as Misato learns of Touji's newfound pilot candidate status, this grizzled veteran with all the experience in the world, suddenly falls victim to a severe case of selective mutism. So then, what the hell is her excuse?
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Postby Reichu » Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:01 am

I find myself chronically peeved at all of the characters in this satanic vehicle for constantly failing to do and say all of the things that I, as an upstanding white bread Christian of impeccable moral character and virtue, would unflinchingly manage to do in perfectly equivalent circumstances. May this cast of sick, sinful pagans burn in the fires of damnation for all eternity.

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Postby Iuvenal » Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:45 am

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Postby Kvanu » Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:52 am

Shinji obviously for his actions during the beginning of EOE.

Ritsuko for not giving a single fuck about pilot's wellbeing throughout the course of the series. She was the only adult (besides Gendo obviously) who didn't have some emotional connection to the pilots. She was the only one who didn't make any effort to reach out to them in times of trouble.

Misato for her behavior in Episode 23. Her overture to Shinji after Rei's death was worse than her kissing Shinji in EOE. She was only thinking about herself.

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I think you guys are really letting Kaji off the hook here for some reason. Kaji deserves a lot shame because he didn't do ANYTHING to stop his death, well knowing that it would destroy Asuka, who he knew was an emotionally scarred young child afraid of abandonment, and it would destroy Misato, his lover. His devil may care attitude was selfish. At the end of the day, he couldn't bring himself to take responsibility, which directly impacted everyone around him in a detrimental way. In fact you could say Kaji did one of the most egregious things in the show by bringing Gendo the Adam embryo, which was basically Gendo's key to Instrumentality. All that was facilitated by Kaji. He endangered Asuka, Shinji, Misato, and the countless of other people on board Over the Rainbow by having Adam with him while an Angel was looking for it, forcing Shinji and Asuka to fight while he took the opportunity to run away. Also, he endangered Misato's life in Episode 7 by facilitating "the project" that would lead to Jet Alone exploding.
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Postby NemZ » Thu Apr 07, 2016 7:17 pm

The tangent about Kaji's phone calling habits has been split HERE.

Now let's get back to the actual topic.
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Postby pwhodges » Fri Apr 08, 2016 1:06 am

And as a result my contribution for this thread went walkabout:

The failure of anyone to tell Shinji that Touji was the fourth child stands out for me; and the failure of Gendou to even attempt to explain to Shinji that fighting Bardiel was actually the best option to try to save the pilot. That whole sorry mess just shows up incompetence at every level.
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Postby zlink64 » Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:12 am

Shinji is a pretty adamant person. I don't think Gendou would have succeeded if he tried and time was kind of an issue. But yeah Gendo is a jerk.
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Postby Reichu » Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:32 am

View Original Postpwhodges wrote:The failure of anyone to tell Shinji that Touji was the fourth child stands out for me; and the failure of Gendou to even attempt to explain to Shinji that fighting Bardiel was actually the best option to try to save the pilot. That whole sorry mess just shows up incompetence at every level.

Episode 18 has so many problems, it might just be simplest to blame it all on imperfections in the script.

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Postby zlink64 » Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:53 am

I wouldn't call them imperfections. I thought it was pretty good episode. Like in the end I think it worked out for the best maybe. Best for viewer that is lol.
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