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Postby Ray » Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:57 pm

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Postby Guy Nacks » Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:45 pm

Never underestimate the human capacity to be racist and discriminatory.

Some would welcome it and be tolerant, others would exemplify the above statement. Honestly, this is why I hope it's a LONG time before we find intelligent extraterrestrial life. You think humanity as a whole is racist now? Wait 'till we're actually dealing with a different race.
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Postby Bagheera » Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:52 pm

See Aberrant. It's not perfect, but it's a good first pass at the idea.
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Postby Blue Monday » Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:03 pm

12,000 people get superpowers overnight? That's pure chaos. The world would quickly slide into some kind of apocalyptic cataclysm. Escalation and a superhuman weapons race is one thing (see: Ultimates 2) but this would be sheer madness. I like it.

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Postby Bagheera » Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:42 pm

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None of the above. See here. It's your exact premise in game form.
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Postby Squigsquasher » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:36 pm

People would complain about "superhuman privilege" on the internet and start pointless hashtag campaigns.
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Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:18 pm

Probably the same things will happen that we deal with now when considering people different than us. There will be people that are fine with it and people who won't be able to conduct themselves appropriately. From a social standpoint, one would expect fringe groups to develop in favor of rounding up superhumans and throwing them off the planet, which would likely be opposed by people arguing the "they're still human" standpoint. Keeping that in mind, there would surely be groups arguing against the humanity of superhumans. Among superhumans, you could also probably find groups aiming to knock all humans, knock just the racist ones, or those espousing normal interactions between the two. And hey, superhumans would probably get fan clubs here and there-- but in short, you'd probably wind up with all the same divisions we have between different races and sexes today.

From a political perspective, I could definitely see militaries trying to recruit superhumans with more destructive powers. Superhumans could also be used as a power play-- surely a mind-reader would be useful at a UN meeting, for example. Law enforcement would also presumably be on high alert for super-criminals, which could result in an effort to identify all super-humans (a la X-men.) From both a political and a social standpoint, people would probably be worried about superhumans breaking laws and would respond with attempts to find who they are and attempts to ramp up security to levels where people with powers would have a harder time breaching restrictions.

Religious communities would either hail these people as gods, condemn them as devils, or just pay them no mind and continue observing their own religion. My vote is that the majority of people would go with option number three-- what impact does a superhuman have on the omnipotent?

As far as rogue powers getting control of superhumans... well, we're back at the political perspective. You'd probably wind up with all powers trying to recruit superhumans or creating human-staffed superhuman "kill" units.

I think this is definitely an interesting line of thought to explore in a story, [username removed on request]. There's a lot to think about, and I'm sure this would have been a longer post if I'd taken more time to consider-- but this is your story! I don't want to think of everything for you, and I want to be surprised.

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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:51 pm

Nuke-kun (and others!) hit the nail on the head, imo. ^_^
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Postby Bagheera » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:03 pm

You might also want to check out Rising Stars, a comic series by J. Michael Straczynski.
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Postby Chuckman » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:17 pm

X-Men. Even if outwardly beautiful, the different are always hated.
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Postby IronEvangelion » Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:14 am

Final Fantasy XIII provides a very good illustration of what would happen. Mass paranoia would grip the general populace since it's impossible to tell a superhuman from a regular human. When a superhuman did reveal his/her existence, the surrounding area would be locked down to prevent anyone from entering or leaving. Then the state military would begin purging these quarantined zones in hopes of eradicating the perceived threat and anyone who might have been exposed to it. After all, it might be contagious!
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Postby Defectron » Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:32 pm

Religious fundementalists of some of the major religions would probably see them as being possessed by demons or something and try to kill them.
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Postby cyharding » Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:21 pm

Either that or the superhumans would be seen by some of them as servants of their deity, which would cause all sorts of other problems.
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Postby Dream » Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:59 am

A couple observations

-Racism has been brought up in some posts. I think it's important to note that this isn't just hating someone for having x skin color or coming from y country. It's not even analogous to Victorian England genuinely believing women's brains were inferior. These are people capable of pulling out actual, physics-defying feats. The discrimination and discourse will take tints we have absolutely no precedence for and comparing it entirely to current hategroups is in my opinion short-sigthed.

-[username removed on request] has expressed a desire for a setting as realistic as possible. Since the superheroes's powers don't obey physical laws, what will the reaction of physics and other natural sciences academia be? Will it cause a complete breakdown in the established knowledge of the relevant fields? Will they just assume superheroes are somehow, inexplicably exempt from universal laws of nature?

-The effect of the twelve gods on the world is just too dependent on their individual personalities for us to give any sort of guess as to what role they might have, i think.

I don't really want to be a killjoy, but i think it's important to keep in mind not even a polymatch sociologist could really predict what would take place in such an scenario, let alone an internet board frequented by God knows who. To be honest even now i fear i'm seeing a lot of miopy and isolation of topics when it comes to some points. It's a fun exercise, but i'd advise agaisnt taking it too seriously or as manual for realistic scenario.
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Postby Chuckman » Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:06 pm

View Original PostDream wrote:-Racism has been brought up in some posts. I think it's important to note that this isn't just hating someone for having x skin color or coming from y country. It's not even analogous to Victorian England genuinely believing women's brains were inferior. These are people capable of pulling out actual, physics-defying feats. The discrimination and discourse will take tints we have absolutely no precedence for and comparing it entirely to current hategroups is in my opinion short-sigthed.


People hate and fear what is different from themselves. The specifics aren't all that important. The justifications might vary but always deep down the main thing is they are not like us.
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Postby Bagheera » Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:24 pm

View Original PostChuckman wrote:People hate and fear what is different from themselves. The specifics aren't all that important. The justifications might vary but always deep down the main thing is they are not like us.


I.e. tribalism. Scary how deeply entrenched it is in the human psyche.
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Postby Chuckman » Sat Apr 11, 2015 11:46 pm

If Superman were real I'm sure he would intervene in Korea but that kind of story doesn't really reflect the ideals and underpinnings of the character. He's an ideal to aspire to, not a revenge fantasy.

Also I think editorial at Marvel and DC should have sat down a long time ago and decided on a fixed time scale and we should be reading about the children and grandchildren of the Silver Age heroes, but they're pussies and nerds demand change and then declare it worse than Hitler when they get it.

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Postby Blue Monday » Sun Apr 12, 2015 12:47 am

It isn't like iconism is exclusive to comicbooks from Marvel and DC though; it's the same reason they still make Godzilla movies 60 years after the original and primarily, putting all the other contributing factors aside, why we get things like Evangelion New Theatrical Edition. And even when NTE is said and done there will be more Eva again someday.

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View Original PostBlue Monday wrote:The status quo has to largely prevail and characters, especially ones of such greatness (Reed Richards, Superman, et cetera), can only ever be as brilliant as the imagination of the writer permits them to be.
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