Movie Akio. Series version has a great veteran seiyuu and I have no complaints about him, but the singer who was brought on for the film clearly can't act and his performance is distractingly bad.
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Series!Akio has been likened to terms like "society" and "CEO" according to the DVD Commentaries . . . which kinda explains the extra-heated hate he gets around those parts of the internet.
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Quick re-post of this Ikuhara interview for those who missed it:
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Ikuhara's involvement in the dub:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerm ... -03/.86638
Sailor Star Dust wrote:Quick post: this 2000 interviewis old old news, right? All this time I thought it was Ikuhara crossplaying.
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Utena strikes me as one of those series that is near-impossible to dub well in English. The original VA cast is just too strong IMHO.
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The dub's a little wooden, but still: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMd90yowhoM
On one hand, I want to do a rewatch of the series, but on the other, certain aspects of the series didn't sit well with me. Like, in general I can't shake the sense that other series might have conveyed what Ikuhara was trying to say a bit better? (From what I've heard, Princess Tutu, though that's one I still have to finish.)
On one hand, I want to do a rewatch of the series, but on the other, certain aspects of the series didn't sit well with me. Like, in general I can't shake the sense that other series might have conveyed what Ikuhara was trying to say a bit better? (From what I've heard, Princess Tutu, though that's one I still have to finish.)
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The English dub was lousy. The voices grate on the ears for the most part, and Miki just sounds wrong.
By the way, you know that Miki has Ami Mizuno's VA, don't you? It's no coincidence that Miki and Juri are so close!
By the way, you know that Miki has Ami Mizuno's VA, don't you? It's no coincidence that Miki and Juri are so close!
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I think the main difficulty in doing a competent english dub for Utena is that much of the Japanese dialogue already has this distinctive classic Japanese flair to it. For english speakers to try and emulate that - without understanding a thing about the Japanese cultural context - will most certainly end in disaster. Even the word choice of "Miss Utena" is erroneous, as "sama" in Utena-sama leans more towards meaning "Lord/Lady" instead of "Mr./ Ms.".
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That's a problem dubbing from one language to another in general. Even dubbing from English to German or vice-versa results in translation issues, although both languages are from the same family and share so much in common. The trouble isn't the translation at all, it's just that the voice actors convey no emotion whatsoever and sound just hopelessly wrong. There are great dubs out there that actually improve on the Japanese dub, with Ghost in the Shell and Cowboy Bebop being classic examples.
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some elements of utena are really unparalleled (music, direction and imagery), but ultimately the series fails because
anthy's a fucking unlikeable bitch. not worth a character of utena's (earlier) worth
plus the end is really disappointing. I was really hoping for something ambiguous that turned all that had happened upside down on several levels. what happened was something that was really more of a nothing. disappointing enough that I wouldn't recommend the show to anyone now after seeing that final episode
do I even want to watch the movie now? not sure anymore...
summary: I've seen worse, but wasted potential is certainly a colossal key word here...
ps: and don't tell me it was meant like utena failed cause she's a girl. that would of course totally kill the show for me
anthy's a fucking unlikeable bitch. not worth a character of utena's (earlier) worth
plus the end is really disappointing. I was really hoping for something ambiguous that turned all that had happened upside down on several levels. what happened was something that was really more of a nothing. disappointing enough that I wouldn't recommend the show to anyone now after seeing that final episode
do I even want to watch the movie now? not sure anymore...
summary: I've seen worse, but wasted potential is certainly a colossal key word here...
ps: and don't tell me it was meant like utena failed cause she's a girl. that would of course totally kill the show for me
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anthy's a fucking unlikeable bitch.
Fair. Anthy is guilty of the exact same set of harm-doing towards the other characters as Akio, so it is understandable that some people will find her unlikable. But, IMHO both siblings are complex enough, well-executed enough characters to be worth the audience's while. Plus, Utena is likewise a heavily flawed character prone to willful blindness and hypocrisy, so I understand how they'd be a match for each other.
do I even want to watch the movie now? not sure anymore...
In a way, the movie's plot reads like a fulfillment fanfic for hardcore lovers of the TV series. So, if you already got problems with the TV series . . .
and don't tell me it was meant like utena failed cause she's a girl. that would of course totally kill the show for me
Utena failed to change "society at large" - Akio + the world he controls - because she is but one person. However, the show also points out that she is responsible for inducing positive changes to many of her schoolmates, and she does free Anthy from her mutually abusive relationship with Akio at the End. In all three of Ikuhara's shows (utena, penguindrum, yuri kuma), the heroes ALWAYS fail at changing the "flawed society" in the end, but will still manage to induce positive influence on a few individuals. I guess he goes for these kinds of semi-downer endings cause it's more realistic-seeming?
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Did Utena really fail though?
SPOILER: Show
I would argue that the fact that Utena at least freed herself from the school and influenced Anthy to leave (thereby leaving Akio powerless, as he has no magic of his own) was a victory of a kind. As Anthy states, Utena is not dead but is apparently no longer in the self-contained 'world' that the school represents.
E̱͡v͈̙e͔̰̳͙r̞͍y͏̱̲̭͎̪ṱ͙̣̗̱͠h̰̰i͙n̶̮̟̳͍͍̫͓g̩ ̠͈en̶̖̹̪d̸̙̦͙̜͕͍̞s̸̰.̳̙̺̟̻̀
I always thought I might be bad
Now I know that it's true
Because I think you're so good
And I'm nothing like you
I always thought I might be bad
Now I know that it's true
Because I think you're so good
And I'm nothing like you
Let's keep any disagreements focused on the show and not each other.
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