The Defilement of Asuka Langley Soryu [Discussion]

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Postby amitakartok » Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:35 pm

That's true. People coming out of nasty injuries or paralysis have to go through intensive physiotherapy to function normally; even not being able to use your legs for a few months due to injuries means you have to learn how to walk all over again as the requisite muscle memory is out of shape.

I did some research into that topic as I intend to use it in one of my Eva fics.
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Postby Gob Hobblin » Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:40 pm

Exactly. Imagine what would happen if you suddenly had a whole new set of limbs to work with, much less three sets.
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Postby Bagheera » Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:46 pm

View Original PostGob Hobblin wrote:That in itself is a pretty big assumption and handwave. You certainly could do that, if you wanted to, but that's certainly not how reacquainting with previously dead or restrained limbs work in real life. Simply having a nerve cluster or a connection to a limb doesn't mean that a person innately knows how to work their limb.


You're talking about real life in reference to a story about a character who magically gains six limbs as a result of molestation by an extraterrestrial entity. Just sayin'.

Besides, if trying to build story potential, why ignore something that could add an interesting subplot?


Because it could be interesting either way. I'd rather the story focused on psychological reactions to the whole ordeal rather than subject the audience to the tedium of watching her learn how to move.
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Postby Gob Hobblin » Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:55 pm

Yes, it is a story about magically gaining six limbs. Which is fun for conjecture. That being said, why try to justify her ability to use those limbs with nerve clusters and psychological conditioning? If you're gonna do that, why not address the potential problems of having six limbs (since you've given them a 'scientific' explanation)? Why not just leave it at 'a wizard did it' and be done with it?
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Postby ElMariachi » Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:56 pm

Say guys... why are we talking about that fic again?
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Postby Gob Hobblin » Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:01 pm

Because someone must, ElMariachi. Someone must.
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Postby Chuckman » Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:10 pm

There are other problems besides nerves. Your arms are where they are for a reason- flexion and extension of the arm and the movement of the hands and fingers are accomplished by muscles in the arms themselves, but large movements all come from muscles in your trunk. Arranging the muscles to replicate the function of the trapezius and lats and such for multiple sets of arms would basically be impossible, unless her back is going to be three feet thick. She's also have to have a set of pectoral muscles for each arm, layered on top of her abdominals and obliques, I guess- so her stomach would have at least three, maybe four layers of overlapping muscles.
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Postby Bagheera » Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:13 pm

View Original PostChuckman wrote:There are other problems besides nerves. Your arms are where they are for a reason- flexion and extension of the arm and the movement of the hands and fingers are accomplished by muscles in the arms themselves, but large movements all come from muscles in your trunk. Arranging the muscles to replicate the function of the trapezius and lats and such for multiple sets of arms would basically be impossible, unless her back is going to be three feet thick. She's also have to have a set of pectoral muscles for each arm, layered on top of her abdominals and obliques, I guess- so her stomach would have at least three, maybe four layers of overlapping muscles.


This is why I said she should technically be segmented.

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Postby Chuckman » Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:20 pm

As Asuka Langley Soryu awoke one morning from uneasy dreams she found herself transformed in her bed into a gigantic insect.
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Postby Mr. Tines » Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:04 pm

That would be "The Metamorphosis of Asuka Langley Soryu", though.
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Postby Chuckman » Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:12 pm

I don't think Kafka and Evangelion would mix too well.
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Postby NemZ » Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:02 pm

View Original PostElMariachi wrote:Say guys... why are we talking about that fic again?


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Postby Bagheera » Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:15 pm

View Original PostChuckman wrote:As Asuka Langley Soryu awoke one morning from uneasy dreams she found herself transformed in her bed into a gigantic insect.


Segmented is more interesting when it doesn't involve insects (or, for that matter, arthropods of any kind) IMO, but YMMV.

For those interested, dragons painted by Michael Whelan tend to get this right, with this being a particularly striking example (albeit with only one extra set of limbs).
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Postby Gob Hobblin » Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:18 am

Gob: Wasn't that my argument? A wizard did it, move on.


Which...wasn't at all the point of what I was talking about. I find trying to figure how something like this works is fascinating. Why is that so irritating to you?

Come on, Chuckman...Kafka and Evangelion were made for each other!
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Postby Bagheera » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:15 am

View Original PostGob Hobblin wrote:Which...wasn't at all the point of what I was talking about. I find trying to figure how something like this works is fascinating. Why is that so irritating to you?


Because the interesting thing about the story, as with all Eva fics, is looking at how the characters react. Learning to move/physical therapy is dull by comparison.

(or rather, it might be interesting for its own sake, but you could do that anywhere. When looking at it in the context of an Eva fic that seems a needless distraction to me.)
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Postby Guy Nacks » Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:05 pm

So when is this fic going to be updated? I thought the impression was that it would be soon?
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Postby PanzerEVA » Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:45 am

View Original PostGuy Nacks wrote:So when is this fic going to be updated? I thought the impression was that it would be soon?
The author has been in contact with me (seeing as I brought it to EVAryone's attention) and has been giving me news so to speak.

Initially, the next chapter was imminent, but it is now delayed due to problems with his internet connection.


He also warns of his mates very wierd Omake that will be in it.
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Postby Dream » Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:12 am

View Original PostPanzerEVA wrote:He also warns of his mates very wierd Omake that will be in it.


Uh oh.
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Postby Gob Hobblin » Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:54 pm

Yeah, I read the omake. It's....uh....yeah.....

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Postby driftking18594 » Thu Sep 26, 2013 4:54 pm

It's not Asuka-x-Mari sex, is it? That might redeem it, if it was written in a style that makes JRR Tolkien look like EL James (not that it's tame, but because it's a masterpiece, which is nearly impossible).


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