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[SPOILERS] Angel Numbering

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Postby Yue » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:22 pm

Wait, okay, so. The Twelfth Angel is the one inside Eva-06. The Thirteenth Angel is Kaworu. Cool. I get that. But Zeruel was the Tenth Angel. There's one missing, isn't there?
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Postby Na7e » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:24 pm

The eleventh is missing. I got my money on it being Asuka.

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Postby Lance of LoL » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:38 pm

There's 14 years of difference. I'm honestly not surprised if we missed one.

Still, given what data we have access to there's not a lot we can go off.

Maybe it's the Wunder?
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Postby Yue » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:43 pm

View Original PostLance of LoL wrote:There's 14 years of difference. I'm honestly not surprised if we missed one.

Still, given what data we have access to there's not a lot we can go off.

Maybe it's the Wunder?


I was kind of thinking the Wunder was Tunniel, and maybe the eleventh angel was the Key of Nebuchadnezzar. Kaji called it the lost number, didn't hr?
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Postby Philos » Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:01 am

Here is my own made angels numbering chart. Edited from old chart which made by someone in 2ch.

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Postby Reichu » Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:14 am

Given the implied link between Wunder and the "Adams' Vessel" Mark.09, I doubt Wunder has anything to do with the 11th Angel. It seems far more likely to me that the 11th Angel was captured a la Tunniel and became the basis for the weaponized, mass-produced Mk.4 series.

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Postby Orizon » Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:05 pm

View Original PostPhilos wrote:Here is my own made angels numbering chart. Edited from old chart which made by someone in 2ch.

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skeleton? in what movie does that one make an appearance?
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Postby Mr. Tines » Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:18 pm

View Original PostOrizon wrote:skeleton? in what movie does that one make an appearance?
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Postby UBERGEEKZILLA » Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:10 pm

if Asuka was an angel wouldnt it make more sense that they would have killed her already? even if she has angel dna in her eye or something it dosent mean she an angel. Rei has plenty of angel similarities but shes not considered a full on angel

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Postby Shamelessnomad » Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:52 am

Forgive me if I am wrong, but isn't the nemesis series an angel or collection of angel-like entities?
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Postby Reichu » Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:54 am

View Original PostShamelessnomad wrote:Forgive me if I am wrong, but isn't the nemesis series an angel or collection of angel-like entities?

The latter. They never receive an Angel designation proper. Look at the Nemesis Series thread for more.

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Postby Shamelessnomad » Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:12 am

Ah, thanks for the tip
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Postby Shinoyami65 » Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:06 am

View Original PostUBERGEEKZILLA wrote:if Asuka was an angel wouldnt it make more sense that they would have killed her already? even if she has angel dna in her eye or something it dosent mean she an angel. Rei has plenty of angel similarities but shes not considered a full on angel


Maybe she's REALLY good at hiding it. Or Misato knows, and assumes Asuka will be useful to her at some point (maybe she's planning on using her as a trump card against Gendo?). Apparently Seele want all the Angels destroyed, so if Asuka is the Eleventh and she's still alive then their plans might be thwarted or altered in some way.
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Postby andreh » Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:10 am

And this guy? It's an angel?
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Postby Shinoyami65 » Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:12 am

Apparently one of the Nemesis Series, Mark 04C.
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Postby Merkaba » Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:23 pm

When was it decided that there are only 13 Angels?
I've only watched the camrip of 3.0 once, so maybe I missed that Kaworu, the 13th, was said to be the last?
I ask because, watching 1.11 last night, Gendo says something to the effect of, "If we're successful (at destroying the 6th Angel), there are still eight left."
Wouldn't that make it 14?

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Postby Eva 04 » Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:52 pm

View Original PostMerkaba wrote:When was it decided that there are only 13 Angels?
I've only watched the camrip of 3.0 once, so maybe I missed that Kaworu, the 13th, was said to be the last?
I ask because, watching 1.11 last night, Gendo says something to the effect of, "If we're successful (at destroying the 6th Angel), there are still eight left."
Wouldn't that make it 14?


When the movies were being produced? Kaworu was originally the 1st Angel until he got cast down to the status of being the 13th. Either way,the 11th Angel is missing and we might not even find out what exactly happened to it until Final. And that's pretty iffy as is. Unless of course they miscounted which is possible I suppose.

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Postby bladerj » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:48 am

View Original PostMerkaba wrote:When was it decided that there are only 13 Angels?
I've only watched the camrip of 3.0 once, so maybe I missed that Kaworu, the 13th, was said to be the last?
I ask because, watching 1.11 last night, Gendo says something to the effect of, "If we're successful (at destroying the 6th Angel), there are still eight left."
Wouldn't that make it 14?


Well mari states, something akin to "13th angel ?? even if there are suposed to be only 12 ?"

And gendo actually says, angels we must DEFEAT, he didnt defeat lilith or adam (but kaworu as 13), so by going with that line we still have one angel missing to defeat, it must be Asuka.
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Postby Merkaba » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:21 am

You guys are ignoring the line I quoted. Gendo says after they defeat the SIXTH, there are still EIGHT more.
That makes FOURTEEN.

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Postby pwhodges » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:39 am

Ending up with Shinji, then?

Seriously, though, am I alone in finding that the separation of the concepts of angel and not-angel is much less clear in Rebuild than in the series? Not least with things like the Nemesis series and the Wunder being around. For me this makes it much harder to understand the significance of the angels at all.
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