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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:10 pm    Post subject:
Shouldn't Rei be younger than Shinji?
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I don't know if this is a serious topic but its one that I can't figure out--shouldn't Rei be younger than Shinji? In the manga at least, we see that Shinji is about 3 or 4 when his mother "vanishes." We all know that Gendo uses Yui's DNA to create the Rei clone. That means she has to be at least 3 years younger than Shinji right?

I guess it could be explained that her growing up process could be different than others but this is never talked about. We clearly see that Rei "grows up" because we see that she once a small child. There is also no indication that she grows up faster than regular humans. For example no one comments--"Wow Rei, you suddenly got a lot taller!" and we suddenly see Rei is 5 inches taller than the other pilots. However, no comments on her blue hair either so maybe that is a moot point.

My guess is that they wanted Rei to be the same age so she could be a viable love interest. What do others think?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:28 pm    Post subject:
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I don't know much of anything, but as far as i understand it, Rei 2 is biologically 4 years old, with her body having been artificially altered by NERV's technology.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:37 pm    Post subject:
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Rei is both younger, older, and the same age as Shinji depending on the angle you decide to look on it.

-Younger
Rei is younger than Shinji because she has existed as Rei for less time than Shinji has existed as Shinji. Rei was born as Rei I in 2004, whereas Shinji was born around four years earlier. Adding all Rei's incarnations together would make her at most, ten years old. Even less if you just want to count the years of Rei's incarnation individually.

-Same age
Rei is according to the series file on her, and her looks, 14 years old or close enough to Shinji's age. Biologically she is the equivalent of a 14-year old outwardly. The official files and documents in the TV-series tells she is 14.

-Older
When you get down to it, Rei is just part of Lilith put in a human-like body. Lilith predates mankind by at least four billion years. Rei's soul is therefore much, much older than Shinji, or simply just older if we assume Shinji's soul has existed for a long time anyway.

Rei's a rather sewn together existence.
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I don't know much of anything, but as far as i understand it, Rei 2 is biologically 4 years old, with her body having been artificially altered by NERV's technology.


This. She isn't a normal girl, and was aged to suit Gendo's whims. Why he bothered with a child Rei when he was going to clone the girl as a teenager so she could pilot remains a mystery.

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This. She isn't a normal girl, and was aged to suit Gendo's whims. Why he bothered with a child Rei when he was going to clone the girl as a teenager so she could pilot remains a mystery.

What do you mean, a mystery? He needed her to be the same apparent age as the other pilots, who were also little children at the time.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:04 pm    Post subject:
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Why he bothered with a child Rei when he was going to clone the girl as a teenager so she could pilot remains a mystery.


Could be because Rei (plus all her clones) was born as a child but grows at an accelerated rate.

That would explain it as Gendo & Scientists would have no choice. It also explains why they just can't recover Rei's spare parts which Ritsuko destroyed. If they could remake Rei's spare bodies at any age they wanted, what Ritsuko did would just be a minor inconvenience.

Otherwise, it'd be a strange thing for Gendo to do, and he usually has a reason to do the things he does.
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What do you mean, a mystery? He needed her to be the same apparent age as the other pilots, who were also little children at the time.


She was the First Child, so there were no other pilots at the time.

(for added amusement: Shinji's the eldest of the Children and yet he's the Third Child. Make of that what you will.)

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She was the First Child, so there were no other pilots at the time.

Oh, right. Where was my head. (I was going to say here that Gendo would at least have known that Shinji was destined to be a pilot because it was his mom in Eva-01, but on further consideration I noticed that there's really no way to know when or how anyone at Nerv figured out that they needed to use a mother-child combination to pilot the Evas.)

I wonder now where I heard this from, but for the longest time I'd been under the impression that "only children born after Second Impact" (or possibly "in the womb during Second Impact") could be pilots.

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I wonder now where I heard this from, but for the longest time I'd been under the impression that "only children born after Second Impact" (or possibly "in the womb during Second Impact") could be pilots.


Yeah, I've heard that before as well. I have no idea as to where it originated.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:20 pm    Post subject:
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^ It's likely just derived from things Ritsuko has said;

Episode 4 wrote:
But we have to put piloting of Evas into the hands of
14-year-old children.


Episode 17 wrote:
However, we need those childrens of that kind,
in order for all of us to survive.

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Why he bothered with a child Rei when he was going to clone the girl as a teenager so she could pilot remains a mystery.


I think they were just messing around, testing their tech out. Rei showed up, and Gendo said, "Yo, she cud be dis epic ting dat make mah planz wrok." The rest is history.

You never know with Gendo.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:18 am    Post subject:
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I suppose it's possible that whatever people behind the scenes who were responsible for assisting Gendo in the creation of Rei I and her clones, might have also artificially accelerated her early physical development via radiation or some type of growth hormone regimen.

Then again, perhaps a series of significantly increased and dramatic growth spurts are just one of the side-effects resulting from splicing angelic-sourced genetic material into human DNA. Considering how quickly Sandalphon's metamorphosis took place during the Magmadiver episode, hatching in the volcano from its embryonic stage into a more fully formed entity, one might conclude that Rei's early infancy/childhood may have included events (to a somewhat lesser degree) which allowed her to mature at a much faster rate than the average human.

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Though Rei doesn't have Angelic-sourced genetic material. Her non-Lilim genetic contribution (if any) came from a SoL, not an Angel, and the difference matters -- Lilith is as different from the Angels as we are. We can't assume much of anything about Rei based on what we see of the Angels.

That said, all sorts of wonky things could happen thanks to Lilith's contribution to Rei. She certainly seems to be capable of rapid growth when she cares to be. But I think it's simpler to assume Rei's development is the product of super science more than anything else.

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Though Rei doesn't have Angelic-sourced genetic material. Her non-Lilim genetic contribution (if any) came from a SoL, not an Angel

"If any" are the key words here. Rei being a genetic hybrid is pure fanon. (At least with Kaworu, the idea has something going for it.)

Putting aside the usual semantic nitpickery about how Lilin are Angels: Seeds of Life are implicitly included from the very beginning, since Adam is lumped in with her children from the very start.

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"If any" are the key words here. Rei being a genetic hybrid is pure fanon. (At least with Kaworu, the idea has something going for it.)


Albeit heavily implied. It's hard to imagine any other way to get Rei to look just like Yui.

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Putting aside the usual semantic nitpickery about how Lilin are Angels: Seeds of Life are implicitly included from the very beginning, since Adam is lumped in with her children from the very start.


My point was that Adam's children share a number of characteristics the SoLs and Lilin don't. Using said children to inform our understanding of a clone (or whatever) of something else isn't such a hot idea.

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If Rei is purely Yui's genes, then she looks like Yui just fine without being a "hybrid".

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If Rei is purely Yui's genes, then she looks like Yui just fine without being a "hybrid".


Well, there's gotta be something else in there, since Yui didn't have blue hair and red eyes. And since pretty much everything in people (at least physically) is a result of genetic expression . . . i dunno, lol

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Well, there's gotta be something else in there, since Yui didn't have blue hair and red eyes. And since pretty much everything in people (at least physically) is a result of genetic expression . . . i dunno, lol

Well, when Lilith actually DOES grow hair, it's pure white, not blue...

All the supplemental data says that Rei is a Yui copy or clone, not a Yui/Lilith freak genetic hybrid of some kind. (If one buys into the idea that Rei 1 was a product of Yui's failed salvage operation, the "hybrid" idea becomes even more inexplicable.) If you need to fanwank an in-universe explanation for the pigmentation, I'd recommend a combination of metaphysical biology and epigenetics; i.e., the influence of Lilith's soul altered some of Yui's gene expression.

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My point was that Adam's children share a number of characteristics the SoLs and Lilin don't.

I'm pretty sure BC Baron was using "Angelic" as an umbrella descriptor for Angels 1-17. These are all beings of the "giant, immortal super-human with psychokinetic abilities" vein. As I noted, the beings we later learn to be progenitor entities are lumped together with the other "Angels" (Adam's children) from the very first episode. I'm not sure what you were objecting about.

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I'm not gonna argue about it. I explained my reasoning here, and if that's not enough for you it's not.

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Well, there's gotta be something else in there, since Yui didn't have blue hair and red eyes. And since pretty much everything in people (at least physically) is a result of genetic expression . . .


You do know that hair and eye colors are a phenotype, not a genotype? Meaning it can be effected without effecting the genes itself?

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