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I am posting in this thread because I am not sure the subject I'm posting about warrants it's own thread. A few months ago, I purchased a copy of the two-disc edition of the soundtrack to 2.22. Since I'm not aware of anyone else owning a copy, I thought that I might write an article for the wiki later on this winter when I have the time.

I have already looked at the various articles on the soundtracks on the wiki, so I know what I can put in, but is there anything else that the rest of you feel should be in there? While I can't read Japanese, the CD booklet does have other items that I can discern such as the lyrics to several songs in English and what appears to be the piano arrangement for some of the songs (I am not a music person, so I'm not sure). Any advice on this subject would be appreaciated. Thanks beforehand for your answers.

I upgraded MediaWiki due to CVE-2012-1578 through 1582. Everything seems to be in order but let me know if something behaves differently.

What's the link that you tried to go to?

Not sure if this is the appropriate thread to propose a change to a specific wiki page, but I'm sure someone can direct me in another direction if necessary.

The wiki page I am referring to is Theory and Analysis:Kaworu's Agenda
( http://wiki.evageeks.org/Theory_and_Analysis:Kaworu%27s_Agenda#p-navigation )

Listed under Kaworu & Shinji is a conversation that lists Keel stating "Our only choice is to make changes with our own hands for the future. I will be praying that Unit 01 will accomplish its task."
That statement is used for the rationale behind the idea that the task Seele wants Eva-01 to complete is to prevent Kaworu from having contact with Lilith. This is specifically mentioned on the page under A Smile of Betrayal.

I'm suggesting that Seele doesn't necessarily want Shinji to prevent Kaworu from contacting Lilith, rather, Seele is hoping that Shinji will choose their desired form of Instrumentality when Kaworu does make contact with Lilith. Instrumentality seems to hinge on the choice of a being outside of the Lilith/Adam as evidenced in EOE. Shinji and Eva-01 would be easily accessible to Lilith/Adam to propose this choice to. Furthermore, given that Kaworu soul would be making first contact (as opposed to Rei's as happened in EOE), Lilith/Adam/Kaworu would have likely chosen Shinji given the relationship between Kaworu and Shinji. Seele was likely banking on Shinji's loneliness leading him to choose all Lilin souls uniting to create one being.

This may contradict Seele's motives in Classified Information, yet Seele may have chosen this version of instrumentality hastily in order to prevent Gendo's plans. And Seele does appear to embrace the Rei-and-Shinji controlled Instrumentality that ultimately happens anyway. Once Kaworu fails, Seele uses the Mass Produced Evas to utilize Shinji and Eva-01 to again envision their own version of Instrumentality and likely exist within the Eva Units while the rest of the human population becomes whole inside Black Moon, though this is superseded by Lilith/Adam/Rei.

This is the right forum.

I think I understand your theory correctly: It's somehow a rule that Adam and/or Lilith has to give someone else the choice as to whether to go through with Instrumentality, and what form it should take (temporarily or permanent, souls in the Black Moon or in the Evas)?

The consensus here has always been Shinji was given that choice because Rei/Lilith wanted it that way, not because she had no other choice. Before we make such a radical change you need to strengthen your case by providing some evidence that Kaworu would have been forced to put Shinji or some other human in charge. Kaworu's dialogue, "Erase me or be erased", doesn't seem to indicate that he would be giving Shinji a choice once Instrumentality started. Instead, he gave Shinji a chance to stop Instrumentality by killing him before he could start it.

Something I noticed - Asuka's Rebuild article has an exact height, mentioning an official chart as the source.

So far, all we ever had are estimates based on Misato's height and a scetch without exact numbers.
If there's an official chart, it should have exact numbers for everyone else who made it into Rebuild. What do you guys think about putting them into the articles?

Even if you argue that it's Rebuild-specific (which would imply that Anno & co. actually concerned themselves with questions like "What if we make them an inch shorter for the big screen") at least Mari's article should get her height added.

thewayneiac wrote:

Kaworu's dialogue, "Erase me or be erased", doesn't seem to indicate that he would be giving Shinji a choice once Instrumentality started. Instead, he gave Shinji a chance to stop Instrumentality by killing him before he could start it.

Yup. Also, keep in mind that Rei was created for the specific purpose of giving Gendo an "explode the world however I want it"-button, as Gendo can't exactly. go and persuade a big white blob thing in a cave without any ears/mouth or sufficient understanding of human thought patterns to get that he's voicing a request - to get a choice in the matter, he had to go through the trouble of dragging out Lillith's soul, creating an artificial vessel so unnatural it's barely holding together, stuffing her in there and raising the result to be loyal to him.
Hardly seems like it says anything about the standart procedure/Lillith's normal function.

Anyone else notice some exposed code on the wiki's main page?

Code:

keywords metadescNeon Genesis Evangelion Wiki. Fan made encyclopaedia of the landmark anime. Contains articles, images, resources, commentary and more./metadesc

Would fix it but have no idea whats it for.

OMF's hidden comments template has stopped working. All of the comments are stuck in visible mode.

Example:

http://wiki.evageeks.org/FGC:Episode_05_Cut_101

The hidden comments functionality should be restored in time, once I can get around to fixing things on the weekend.

In the meantime, what is the current editorial policy on "Child" vs "Children". Is there one? I'm aware that I may be dredging up old arguments, but I'm seeing a few "Children"'s on the wiki pages and I'm not sure if it's the best thing to display for more casual fans.

If we are designating this as a wiki, we should change it to "child". This would make more sense. If this is meant to be soley a database which forum users can reference, "children" would be more sufficient. It is important to be accurate (which may be a reason to keep it as "children", but if the purpose is to appeal to casual fans, we should still change it).

My own feeling is that the wiki needs to be more accessible to a general audience. Child/Children is a small issue, but an important one from an objectives point of view.

I'm also thinking of revamping the current navigation system (which is poor), but that's for another thread.

Please, do revamp the system. It is so non-user friendly, especially that super low-key search bar. It should be one of the largest things on the page.