I hope it's a seven hour epic with three intermissions, and yet still manages to not provide a satisfying conclusion. Then I hope Anno takes all the money and goes and does some original project that is a massive 'f- you' to everyone who likes him.

Tarnsman wrote:I hope it's a seven hour epic with three intermissions, and yet still manages to not provide a satisfying conclusion. Then I hope Anno takes all the money and goes and does some original project that is a massive 'f- you' to everyone who likes him.

Fund the plan for the Illuminati.

I'm really surprised that this might just be one film, especially considering the money that the first two earned.

Holy Diver wrote:I'm really surprised that this might just be one film, especially considering the money that the first two earned.

I was thinking this too. I'm happy that it will all come together, but sad that it ends soon as well.

Tarnsman wrote:I hope it's a seven hour epic with three intermissions, and yet still manages to not provide a satisfying conclusion. Then I hope Anno takes all the money and goes and does some original project that is a massive 'f- you' to everyone who likes him.

Anno's high point as artist and creator was when he basically went he went all solipstic and into his own little high art world and ruminations and by his own admission pretty much just made the films for himself, audience interest be damned. Namely his artfaggotry film trilogy:

- End of Evangelion
- Love & Pop
- Shiki Jitsu


after getting married in 2004 and starting to feel more comfortable with anime fandom again, doing Re:Cutey Honey and emerging as far more positive person he actually started to give shit about fans again like in early GAINAX days, which is the main reason why Rebuild hasn't been as good as EoE

My opinion is just that in order to have the necessary character development needed to continue and close the series, (especially after 2.0), and to answer the questions needed to be answered in order to make this an individual film series, they would have to make two full movies or one very, very long final film. Otherwise, to end on the third film would defeat the initial purpose of the series: to be more accessible to non-fans.

Xard wrote:after getting married in 2004 and starting to feel more comfortable with anime fandom again, doing Re:Cutey Honey and emerging as far more positive person he actually started to give shit about fans again like in early GAINAX days, which is the main reason why Rebuild hasn't been as good as EoE

Here we go again with the "Anno was a good director when he was depressed" tantrum... I'd like to know what you mean with "Rebuild hasn't been as good as EoE", are anime good only when they're a mysterious and cryptic puzzle?

Hyper Shinchan wrote:I'd like to know what you mean with "Rebuild hasn't been as good as EoE", are anime good only when they're a mysterious and cryptic puzzle?

Are you genuinely implying that the Rebuild series can be considered up to par with the original series and EoE?

liquidus118 wrote:Are you genuinely implying that the Rebuild series can be considered up to par with the original series and EoE?

Fucking A, I would support that claim.

liquidus118 wrote:Are you genuinely implying that the Rebuild series can be considered up to par with the original series and EoE?

Sure thing, I've repeatedly, explicitly, said it. Actually it could be even better, as far as I'm concerned.

tomfrom994 wrote:Fucking A, I would support that claim.

We're (not) alone, I'm sure of it.

tomfrom994 wrote:Fucking A, I would support that claim.

You have to admit that with only half of the story so far, that's a hard call to make. I wouldn't judge EVA solely on the first 13 episodes. Hell, to keep with the EoE analogy, I wouldn't judge the whole movie solely on episode 25'.

Hyper Shinchan wrote:Here we go again with the "Anno was a good director when he was depressed" tantrum... I'd like to know what you mean with "Rebuild hasn't been as good as EoE", are anime good only when they're a mysterious and cryptic puzzle?

uhh, looks like you already forgot I think Rebuilds are generally speaking good and I'd defend them here if I saw arguing with you lot as meaningful business.

I'm just saying that Anno is at his very best when he simply doesn't give a fuck about audience needs. Neither Love & Pop or Shiki Jitsu is particularly mindfucky or depressing. Shiki Jitsu in particular has rather positive ending whereas Love & Pop is more about societal issues than personal ones.

at any rate let's keep Rebuild quality debate outside this thread

Xard wrote:uhh, looks like you already forgot I think Rebuilds are generally speaking good and I'd defend them here if I saw arguing with you lot as meaningful business.

Not really, I'm not forgetting it.

Xard wrote:I'm just saying that Anno is at his very best when he simply doesn't give a fuck about audience needs. Neither Love & Pop or Shiki Jitsu is particularly mindfucky or depressing. Shiki Jitsu in particular has rather positive ending whereas Love & Pop is more about societal issues than personal ones.

You're right about Shiki-Jitsu and Love&Pop, but I don't see Rebuild as "targeted towards audience needs" more than any work outside that trilogy, including Nadia and Evangelion.

Xard wrote:at any rate let's keep Rebuild quality debate outside this thread

You've explicitly started the debate about Rebuild quality in comparison of EoE and now you're doing back-seat moderation

Hyper Shinchan wrote:Not really, I'm not forgetting it.

You're right about Shiki-Jitsu and Love&Pop, but I don't see Rebuild as "targeted towards audience needs" more than any work outside that trilogy, including Nadia and Evangelion.

End of Evangelion is Anno's most extreme work so it counts too. Eva stops giving shit about audience around halfway through.

Rebuild is like Eva's first half in terms of construction.

Hyper Shinchan wrote:You've explicitly started the debate about Rebuild quality in comparison of EoE and now you're doing back-seat moderation

Well, I seriously didn't expect anymone to put Rebuild on the same level as EoE so...

(seriously, I mean it)

Sephizim wrote:You have to admit that with only half of the story so far, that's a hard call to make. I wouldn't judge EVA solely on the first 13 episodes. Hell, to keep with the EoE analogy, I wouldn't judge the whole movie solely on episode 25'.

You do make a good point.

But I'm just saying that Eva 1.0 and 2.0 are just about as good, if not better than, EoE in terms of excitement and story telling (i.e. lack of total mindfuckery. So far, anyways.)

Xard wrote:End of Evangelion is Anno's most extreme work so it counts too.

No, I meant that they weren't easy with the audience (not to the levels of EoE, though) but unlike EoE they're not "mindfucky", you can easily understand the message of the movie, EoE's ending is still matter open to debate after 14 years.

Xard wrote:Well, I seriously didn't expect anymone to put Rebuild on the same level as EoE so...

(seriously, I mean it)

I don't find it so unreasonable; EoE is probably one of those "love it or hate it" anime, it's not easy with the viewer and some people, like me, could simply give up on it after years spent thinking about it. Actually I gave up on the entire franchising for years until I heard that Ha, unlike Jo, was different from NGE, and I was very pleased when I watched it for the first time.

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Honestly, i'm surprised at people being perplexed by the possibility of Rebuild ending with Q. The whole situtation at the end of 2.0 was pretty much escalating towards a boiling point, especially with the appearence of Kaworu, nevermind Nerv being effectively destroyed.

There's just not that much momentum left in the plot for two whole movies.

People, please take any and all 3.0 speculation to this thread: http://forum.evageeks.org/viewtopic.php?t=6938

This thread is meant for discussing if there's any truth to the idea of 3.0/Final airing together or not, and whatever news pops up regarding such.

Thank you. Any more off-topic posts will be deleted.

Just quoting off 4chan, because it's hilarious.

At an event in Tokyo yesterday, Maya's voice actress said that Q will move Rebuild 'swiftly in a grim direction', and is expected to strongly divide the audience. The host of the event said he'd heard that many of the staff working on the film feel that it's 'too dark'.

I desperately want to find a link for this. If it's true, OLD ANNO IS BACK BABY!