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Seele 00 Text Only wrote:they went crazy and upped the number to 10... but if it were still 5 it'd still get the nomination I bet.
I didn't think about that. A nomination might be a possibility. It has been a bit of a dry year. I think I'll revise my statement. If Avatar gets a nomination over Up, I will eat my own face.
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Joseph the PRPD wrote:Xard wrote:Joseph the PRPD wrote:Xard wrote:oh god...furries...
Do they really count as furries?
What are these "they" you are talking about?
Whatever that blue species in Avatar is called.
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Less of the multi-nested quoting please.
And no matter what the critter's integument, the people who get off on the anthropomorphization are furries.
And no matter what the critter's integument, the people who get off on the anthropomorphization are furries.
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Gendo'sPapa wrote:Regarding the furry issue. Amongst a bunch of people who get the hots for 14 year old animated girls then I'm def a furry for Neytiri.
I don't think that thinking Neytiri is sexy makes you a furry, if that's the case, then both James Cameron and Zoe Saldana are furries too, because they both have stated publicly that they think the character is sexy.
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James Cameron's Avatar
C+
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So.... what was the big deal about this movie?
I heard in advance that the plot was rather simplistic. But I had at least thought Cameron would have explored more character development throughout the film's nearly 3 hour duration. You almost expect that in a movie so long. But they shoved the main character in the Avatar plug within the first 10-20 minutes without even establishing much of a connection with him.
The plot progressed in a very predictable fashion. And also in a shallow one. The whole "deforestation plot" was kinda old a long time ago, and still wasn't all that good. And most of the events plot oriented could be figured out out 20 minutes before it actually happened. I would say the same for character development, but there really wasn't anything going on character-wise.
Honestly, I'm trying to comment on the story. But the more I do, the more it kinda falls apart on me. Maybe it was because James Cameron was only playing it safe with a nervously HUGE budget, or maybe because he was afraid that the audience would get so distracted by the visuals, that they would be hard pressed to follow more complicated story. But seriously, the movie didn't have to be THAT simplistic.
The entire film seems to be an over-blown, and expensive version of FernGully: The Last Rainforest. Seriously, did you see that budget? And much of it seemed unnecessary. The Na'vi could have been executed with a simple prosthetic down the nose, fake ears, some gloves and blue make-up/body suit. The tail could be a CGI element. But that would be all. The fact that the arms and legs were simply a couple inches longer proportionally really didn't justify spending thousands or even millions on the CGI. And none of the "look! it glows!" touches on the environment never really help explain the natural laws of the world in which they lived. And for a movie about saving the workings of the mystical, physicality rain forest, that's a bad thing.
Now, don't get me wrong. I liked the general look of the film. I'm probably gonna re-watch that movie in the I-Max. (I only saw it at a common cinema so far.) The entire look of the film invoked a sense of a hyper-spiritual rain forest in the peak of spring, when colorful secondary sexual traits of tropical animals are at it's brightest. It was simply beautiful. And the sequence where the main character learned how to fly the native pterodactyls was simply breathtaking. But at the same time, it was the only meaningful 3-D experience in the film.
And you know it's bad when you start wishing that the film was more about the main villain, who you just saw enter a robot and jump out of a burning plane JUST BEFORE IT CRASHED TO THE GROUND!!!
Yeah... that was a cool character.... I mean- um... yeah. Poor forest.
And when the films closed out, I still didn't have a connection with the main character. But that villain was darn cool, wasn't he?
And can anyone explain to me how the Na'vi seem to have an extremity formal ritual for transplanting a human soul/whatever into the foreign Na'vi clone body when the native Na'vi never did that before, or even know about clone bodies. I mean, I can see them giving Grace to an all powerful tree and waiting to see what happens. But the ritual seemed very planned for a spur-of-the-moment, "we've never done THIS before" event.
C+
**---
So.... what was the big deal about this movie?
I heard in advance that the plot was rather simplistic. But I had at least thought Cameron would have explored more character development throughout the film's nearly 3 hour duration. You almost expect that in a movie so long. But they shoved the main character in the Avatar plug within the first 10-20 minutes without even establishing much of a connection with him.
The plot progressed in a very predictable fashion. And also in a shallow one. The whole "deforestation plot" was kinda old a long time ago, and still wasn't all that good. And most of the events plot oriented could be figured out out 20 minutes before it actually happened. I would say the same for character development, but there really wasn't anything going on character-wise.
Honestly, I'm trying to comment on the story. But the more I do, the more it kinda falls apart on me. Maybe it was because James Cameron was only playing it safe with a nervously HUGE budget, or maybe because he was afraid that the audience would get so distracted by the visuals, that they would be hard pressed to follow more complicated story. But seriously, the movie didn't have to be THAT simplistic.
The entire film seems to be an over-blown, and expensive version of FernGully: The Last Rainforest. Seriously, did you see that budget? And much of it seemed unnecessary. The Na'vi could have been executed with a simple prosthetic down the nose, fake ears, some gloves and blue make-up/body suit. The tail could be a CGI element. But that would be all. The fact that the arms and legs were simply a couple inches longer proportionally really didn't justify spending thousands or even millions on the CGI. And none of the "look! it glows!" touches on the environment never really help explain the natural laws of the world in which they lived. And for a movie about saving the workings of the mystical, physicality rain forest, that's a bad thing.
Now, don't get me wrong. I liked the general look of the film. I'm probably gonna re-watch that movie in the I-Max. (I only saw it at a common cinema so far.) The entire look of the film invoked a sense of a hyper-spiritual rain forest in the peak of spring, when colorful secondary sexual traits of tropical animals are at it's brightest. It was simply beautiful. And the sequence where the main character learned how to fly the native pterodactyls was simply breathtaking. But at the same time, it was the only meaningful 3-D experience in the film.
And you know it's bad when you start wishing that the film was more about the main villain, who you just saw enter a robot and jump out of a burning plane JUST BEFORE IT CRASHED TO THE GROUND!!!
Yeah... that was a cool character.... I mean- um... yeah. Poor forest.
And when the films closed out, I still didn't have a connection with the main character. But that villain was darn cool, wasn't he?
And can anyone explain to me how the Na'vi seem to have an extremity formal ritual for transplanting a human soul/whatever into the foreign Na'vi clone body when the native Na'vi never did that before, or even know about clone bodies. I mean, I can see them giving Grace to an all powerful tree and waiting to see what happens. But the ritual seemed very planned for a spur-of-the-moment, "we've never done THIS before" event.
FreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:formal ritual for transplanting a human soul/whatever
It was a shamanistic mediation ritual, not a "transplanting a human soul/whatever" ritual. It's explicit that the Na'vi didn't know what to do beyond communication with Hometree.
As far as Pocahontas, we'll know if it's the same story when Avatar 2 has Neytiri kidnapped, eventually shipped to Earth, then to die upon her return to Pandora. Do Not Want.
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FreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:And much of it seemed unnecessary. The Na'vi could have been executed with a simple prosthetic down the nose, fake ears, some gloves and blue make-up/body suit. The tail could be a CGI element. But that would be all. The fact that the arms and legs were simply a couple inches longer proportionally really didn't justify spending thousands or even millions on the CGI.
I think the point was more to see if they could pull off the CGI, rather than finding the best way to make the graphics work.
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