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Postby Seele00TextOnly » Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:45 pm

Lol I put that in a pretty big caveat saying I hadn't seen the other contenders... just saying it strongly feels Best Picture-y to me. Maybe not the year for it, if the competition is really good as you say. It'll be nominated though, that goes without saying. Especially since they went crazy and upped the number to 10... but if it were still 5 it'd still get the nomination I bet.

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Postby The Eva Monkey » Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:06 pm

Seele 00 Text Only wrote:they went crazy and upped the number to 10... but if it were still 5 it'd still get the nomination I bet.

I didn't think about that. A nomination might be a possibility. It has been a bit of a dry year. I think I'll revise my statement. If Avatar gets a nomination over Up, I will eat my own face.
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Postby THE Hal E. Burton 9000 » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:28 pm

http://io9.com/5439885/deleted-avatar-sex-scene-opens-up-some-serious-bestiality-issues

the url says it all :devil:
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Postby Xard » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:31 pm

THE Hal E. Burton 9000 wrote:http://io9.com/5439885/deleted-avatar-sex-scene-opens-up-some-serious-bestiality-issues

the url says it all :devil:


oh god...furries will go absolutely apeshit over this in many ways
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Postby Joseph the PRPD » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:40 pm

Xard wrote:oh god...furries...

Do they really count as furries?
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Postby child of Lilith » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:11 pm

I think furries is just a catchall term for anything sexual involving beings that could be considered humanlike but aren’t really human.

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Postby Xard » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:14 pm

Joseph the PRPD wrote:
Xard wrote:oh god...furries...

Do they really count as furries?


What are these "they" you are talking about?
ran1: Oh gosh this sentence gave me an internet boner. You're so tsundere.
Mugwump: Goddamn it, Xard! Take me in your arms, you magnificent sex god bastard!
And don't forget to wear the Ran mask.
Eva Yojimbo: You really are the Otaku equivalent of a Catholic and Jew rolled up into one giant dakimakura of guilt.
Gob Hobblin: Sanctimonious, subtly racist, vaguely misogynist, somehow says something while at the same time saying...nothing, really, at all....

Nice, Xard. That's nice.

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Postby Joseph the PRPD » Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:02 pm

Xard wrote:
Joseph the PRPD wrote:
Xard wrote:oh god...furries...

Do they really count as furries?


What are these "they" you are talking about?


Whatever that blue species in Avatar is called.
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Postby Uriel Septim VII » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:49 am

They aren't furries by technicality. They have no fur.
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Postby THE Hal E. Burton 9000 » Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:50 am

maybe this a new subgenre

"scaleys"
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Postby GasmaskAvenger » Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:53 am

Joseph the PRPD wrote:
Xard wrote:
Joseph the PRPD wrote:
Xard wrote:oh god...furries...

Do they really count as furries?


What are these "they" you are talking about?


Whatever that blue species in Avatar is called.

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Postby Mr. Tines » Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:03 am

Less of the multi-nested quoting please.

And no matter what the critter's integument, the people who get off on the anthropomorphization are furries.
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Postby ZapX » Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:02 am

Should I break out the charts?
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Postby Seele00TextOnly » Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:15 am

There is no bestiality connection. Linking up by the USB ports is a way of meeting the minds. Sex however is still the old fashion way. Essentially the use of the porting during it allows for a greater level of communication and intimacy.

Stupid connotations to bestiality and furries is stupid.

And as usual, the same people that go around saying there was nothing to think about in this movie continue to think about it, but just enough to pick it apart using misconceptions, falsities, and full on deliberate lies because they feel rubbed the wrong way about its supposed 'politics.'

This film is opening up conversations all over the place about what constitutes theft, murder, humanity, loyalty, the presence or perceived presence of allegory in works of art, and whether the ends justify the means.

But of course it's just a pretty 2D ripoff story that doesn't have anything to offer thoughtful people. Right.

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Postby simon » Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:14 pm

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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:59 pm

Regarding the furry issue. Amongst a bunch of people who get the hots for 14 year old animated girls then I'm def a furry for Neytiri.

Loved AVATAR.

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Postby The Eva Monkey » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:14 pm

Gendo'sPapa wrote:Regarding the furry issue. Amongst a bunch of people who get the hots for 14 year old animated girls then I'm def a furry for Neytiri.

I don't think that thinking Neytiri is sexy makes you a furry, if that's the case, then both James Cameron and Zoe Saldana are furries too, because they both have stated publicly that they think the character is sexy.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Wed Jan 06, 2010 5:05 pm

James Cameron's Avatar
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So.... what was the big deal about this movie?

I heard in advance that the plot was rather simplistic. But I had at least thought Cameron would have explored more character development throughout the film's nearly 3 hour duration. You almost expect that in a movie so long. But they shoved the main character in the Avatar plug within the first 10-20 minutes without even establishing much of a connection with him.

The plot progressed in a very predictable fashion. And also in a shallow one. The whole "deforestation plot" was kinda old a long time ago, and still wasn't all that good. And most of the events plot oriented could be figured out out 20 minutes before it actually happened. I would say the same for character development, but there really wasn't anything going on character-wise.

Honestly, I'm trying to comment on the story. But the more I do, the more it kinda falls apart on me. Maybe it was because James Cameron was only playing it safe with a nervously HUGE budget, or maybe because he was afraid that the audience would get so distracted by the visuals, that they would be hard pressed to follow more complicated story. But seriously, the movie didn't have to be THAT simplistic.

The entire film seems to be an over-blown, and expensive version of FernGully: The Last Rainforest. Seriously, did you see that budget? And much of it seemed unnecessary. The Na'vi could have been executed with a simple prosthetic down the nose, fake ears, some gloves and blue make-up/body suit. The tail could be a CGI element. But that would be all. The fact that the arms and legs were simply a couple inches longer proportionally really didn't justify spending thousands or even millions on the CGI. And none of the "look! it glows!" touches on the environment never really help explain the natural laws of the world in which they lived. And for a movie about saving the workings of the mystical, physicality rain forest, that's a bad thing.

Now, don't get me wrong. I liked the general look of the film. I'm probably gonna re-watch that movie in the I-Max. (I only saw it at a common cinema so far.) The entire look of the film invoked a sense of a hyper-spiritual rain forest in the peak of spring, when colorful secondary sexual traits of tropical animals are at it's brightest. It was simply beautiful. And the sequence where the main character learned how to fly the native pterodactyls was simply breathtaking. But at the same time, it was the only meaningful 3-D experience in the film.

And you know it's bad when you start wishing that the film was more about the main villain, who you just saw enter a robot and jump out of a burning plane JUST BEFORE IT CRASHED TO THE GROUND!!!

Yeah... that was a cool character.... I mean- um... yeah. Poor forest.

And when the films closed out, I still didn't have a connection with the main character. But that villain was darn cool, wasn't he?

And can anyone explain to me how the Na'vi seem to have an extremity formal ritual for transplanting a human soul/whatever into the foreign Na'vi clone body when the native Na'vi never did that before, or even know about clone bodies. I mean, I can see them giving Grace to an all powerful tree and waiting to see what happens. But the ritual seemed very planned for a spur-of-the-moment, "we've never done THIS before" event.

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Postby VoidEater » Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:41 pm

FreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:formal ritual for transplanting a human soul/whatever


It was a shamanistic mediation ritual, not a "transplanting a human soul/whatever" ritual. It's explicit that the Na'vi didn't know what to do beyond communication with Hometree.

As far as Pocahontas, we'll know if it's the same story when Avatar 2 has Neytiri kidnapped, eventually shipped to Earth, then to die upon her return to Pandora. Do Not Want.
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Postby Sachi » Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:05 pm

FreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:And much of it seemed unnecessary. The Na'vi could have been executed with a simple prosthetic down the nose, fake ears, some gloves and blue make-up/body suit. The tail could be a CGI element. But that would be all. The fact that the arms and legs were simply a couple inches longer proportionally really didn't justify spending thousands or even millions on the CGI.

I think the point was more to see if they could pull off the CGI, rather than finding the best way to make the graphics work.
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