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Postby The Eva Monkey » Sat Jul 30, 2005 12:43 pm

drinian wrote:So I guess the moral of the story is to wait another 3-4 years for ADV to release the HD-DVD or Blu-Ray version of Evangelion.

You know they will.

At least twice.

Matt Greenfield even said at Otakon 2004 that Platinum was the last time they would be releasing Evangelion on DVD. They wouldn't be putting it out again until DVD was obsolete. That's hardly encouraging. VHS lasted a good 20 years. For some reason... I doubt DVD will do the same. After only 10 years, and only about 5 years as standard, there are already new formats coming out aiming to replace it. But something tells me that Gainax will put Eva out on a new format before ADV does.

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Postby drinian » Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:04 pm

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drinian wrote:So I guess the moral of the story is to wait another 3-4 years for ADV to release the HD-DVD or Blu-Ray version of Evangelion.

You know they will.

At least twice.


But something tells me that Gainax will put Eva out on a new format before ADV does.


Well, of course -- where would ADV get their masters otherwise? It's all about marketing...

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Postby ObsessiveMathsFreak » Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:04 pm

For some bizarre reason, I've just discovered that episodes #01 and #02 have been duplicated on the disc. There's two seemingly exact copies of each one. Anyone have any idea about this?
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Postby The Eva Monkey » Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:13 pm

drinian wrote:Well, of course -- where would ADV get their masters otherwise? It's all about marketing...

They could always pull a Wings of Honneamise and put a DVD master on a BluRay.

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Postby Reichu » Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:20 pm

ObsessiveMathsFreak wrote:Your plan was flawless right up until the cartel implemented region locking on all DVD-ROM drives. Danm their oily hides!!


I just fire up "DVD Region Free" meself.
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Postby Timesplitter 01 » Sun Jul 31, 2005 7:51 am

With the blue ray, you could fit all of the eva series plus Director cuts , plus EoE on to 1 blue ray disc.

Dont quote me on this, its just a rough calculation.

Plus I am tired

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Postby ObsessiveMathsFreak » Sun Jul 31, 2005 1:13 pm

It would seem problems with the region 2 discs are not confined to interlacing. Take a look at this. Note the ghost image of the telephone and Misato's arm. This is unrelated to interlacing or filtering. There is no motion here, and this is the unfiltered image. It seems to happily be confined to this cut only. Note in the second image the interlacing effect around Misato's mouth.
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Postby Reichu » Sun Jul 31, 2005 4:22 pm

Good thing this problem didn't occur in the States. I was fed up enough with the ghost image crap in Collection. The problem is still there occasionally, but it's nowhere near as impeding.

Now, this was probably covered already and I'm just not with it, but exactly WHY does the Euro edition have this problem, considering the original bloody Japanese release was in Region 2? If you follow my meaning.
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Postby Genocide » Sun Jul 31, 2005 5:21 pm

That's too bad. I hope they fix it pretty soon. Manga screwed up ours in their first release.

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Postby Shin-seiki » Sun Jul 31, 2005 5:46 pm

Reichu wrote:Now, this was probably covered already and I'm just not with it, but exactly WHY does the Euro edition have this problem, considering the original bloody Japanese release was in Region 2? If you follow my meaning.
It's NTSC vs PAL issue isn't it? They have NTSC in Japan, but PAL in Europe...

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Postby Soluzar » Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:48 pm

Shin-seiki wrote:
Reichu wrote:Now, this was probably covered already and I'm just not with it, but exactly WHY does the Euro edition have this problem, considering the original bloody Japanese release was in Region 2? If you follow my meaning.
It's NTSC vs PAL issue isn't it? They have NTSC in Japan, but PAL in Europe...


I believe your answer to be correct. The change in framerate means that you lose a lot of vital information from the picture.
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Postby ObsessiveMathsFreak » Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:23 pm

Just thought I'd let you all know the results of all the filtering and encoding. The results of the first encoding surpassed my wildest expectations. The episode #02 video stream was compress using xvid to a staggeringly small 171.2MB, at original size, and near perfect quality. Considering the effects of the filters it might actually be considered higher quality.

I haven't bothered compressing the audio stream as disk space is cheap, and it's "only" 74.9MB. The actual reason is that formatting the 5.1 ac3 sound so that encoders like ogg or lame can handle it is far too much bother at the moment. The ripped subtitles take up around 7MB.

I've decided to use the matroska container format for the streams, for the simple reason that I don't have to go through messy OCR work with the subtitles, and the raw VobSubs can be used. The total size for the resulting eps02.mkv file is 248.4MB, which is far better than I thought I'd get. The biggest plus is that the subtitles are in their original form, and I can now take screenshots with or without them. Bliss!

I suppose if anyone is interested I could post the conversion scripts. The newly created completely offtopic forum would seem a good place for something like that.
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Postby Digitalex » Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:06 pm

Nice! Did you keep the Xvid to a one pass? If so that's not a bad size at all. I haven't tried using the Matroska containers yet. Did you have to do any additional configuring?
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Postby ObsessiveMathsFreak » Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:43 pm

It was a two pass encode. I could go for a third, but there's little point. It's small enough and looks near perfect. The sound is obviously a glaring size issue, but I'm not actually too worried about size to begin with.

Matroska really is a godsend. No more Optical character recognition madness with the subs. I can just use the actual ones. The only problem with it might be lack of support, but all of my software players support it, so I'm OK.

Here's the script. For episode #02.
[code:1]#! /bin/bash

echo `date` : Begin Encoding > encode.log

#extract audio, NO COMPRESSION
mplayer dvd://4 -alang ja -vo null -dumpaudio -dumpfile audio.ac3
echo `date` : Audio Extracted >> encode.log

#first pass + extract subs
mencoder dvd://4 -o /dev/null \
-nosound \
-ovc xvid -xvidencopts :bitrate=1024:cartoon:pass=1 \
-of avi \
-vf crop=704:560:10:10,pp=fd,hqdn3d=7:7:7 \
-slang en -vobsubout subtitles -vobsuboutindex 0 -vobsuboutid en

echo `date` : First Pass Complete, Subtitles Extracted >> encode.log

#second pass
mencoder dvd://4 -o video.avi \
-nosound \
-ovc xvid -xvidencopts :bitrate=1024:cartoon:pass=2 \
-of avi \
-vf crop=704:560:10:10,pp=fd,hqdn3d=7:7:7 \
-slang en -vobsubout subtitles -vobsuboutindex 0 -vobsuboutid en
echo `date` : Second Pass Complete >> encode.log

#muxing
mkvmerge -o eps02.mkv video.avi audio.ac3 subtitles.idx
echo `date` : Muxing Complete >> encode.log

#Fin
echo `date` : Encoding Complete >> encode.log
echo Encoding Complete. Was fate kind?[/code:1]
The denoiser setting "hqdn3d=7:7:7" might be considered somewhat high, but I found it worked wonders.

To the possible dismay of some, the xvid "cartoon" option was used!
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Postby ObsessiveMathsFreak » Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:25 pm

On checking the Volume 3 disc, it appears that like disc one, two episodes have been seemingly duplicated on the disc? this time episodes #11 and #13. Does anyone know why this might be?
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Postby ObsessiveMathsFreak » Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:44 am

More problems found. It looks like there are some peculiar errors on the disc.

It seems that you get, alas, what ADV paid for.
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Postby Digitalex » Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:08 pm

ObsessiveMathsFreak wrote:On checking the Volume 3 disc, it appears that like disc one, two episodes have been seemingly duplicated on the disc? this time episodes #11 and #13. Does anyone know why this might be?


I'll have to check the VOBs from my rip. I know there was a reason for this, I just have to remember what it was.
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Postby Space Penis » Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:50 pm

I've never had any problems like this on my R2 dvds. Although the sound seems a little distorted in ep#11, but I've not experiance anything wrong with the picture.
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