Soryu vs. Shikinami

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Soryu vs. Shikinami

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Postby CyberXIII » Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:53 pm

What's the difference between Sohryu and Shikinami?

Honestly, I really didn't see any difference in the two...
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Postby Sammaeloo » Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:55 pm

Fanservice. Other than the fact that Shikinami is a captain, they are almost exactly the same.
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Postby CyberXIII » Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:25 pm

Really?

From all the whining I've heard they were two different people that looked nothing alike.
"Crapsack worlds and anti heroes have their place. Sometimes, they are very necessary. But an endless diet of dreary cyberpunk and dark fantasy won't do us any more favors than an endless feast of glurge. I'd argue that the cynical nature of these really hurt our ability to hope and work for better. It gets us to accept the hopelessness and jaded outlook of things as 'That's the way it is. I can't change it,' and stops us from fighting when we NEED to fight."

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Postby Rommel » Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:38 pm

The ONLY thing they have in common is, in fact, the way they look. I guess "eyepatch!Asuka" will take care of that.

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Re: What's the difference between... (spoilers)

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Postby Rock-Slash » Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:06 pm

CyberXIII wrote:What's the difference between Sohryu and Shikinami?

You might as well ask whats the difference between Sohryu and Misato or Rei or Maya, etc.
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Re: What's the difference between... (spoilers)

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Postby CyberXIII » Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:14 pm

Rock-Slash wrote:
CyberXIII wrote:What's the difference between Sohryu and Shikinami?

You might as well ask whats the difference between Sohryu and Misato or Rei or Maya, etc.


Yes, but those are different characters entirely. Shikinami is the same arrogant loudmouth expert pilot that Sohryu was.
"Crapsack worlds and anti heroes have their place. Sometimes, they are very necessary. But an endless diet of dreary cyberpunk and dark fantasy won't do us any more favors than an endless feast of glurge. I'd argue that the cynical nature of these really hurt our ability to hope and work for better. It gets us to accept the hopelessness and jaded outlook of things as 'That's the way it is. I can't change it,' and stops us from fighting when we NEED to fight."

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Postby Lucretius » Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:20 pm

Shikinami's social ineptitude and loneliness are emphasized a lot more than Soryu's; she doesn't even managae to befriend Hikari. That's the main difference, I think.

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Postby Otakon 08 Ikari » Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:25 pm

One is a nicer version of old school Asuka but can never replace her in our hearts.
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Postby Boredom » Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:28 pm

Soryu= Popular Girl most everyone likes, somewhat outgoing, can be annoying, but is generaly lovealbe like most real girls.

Shikinami=Anti-social and an egotist with an eyepatch. Not much depth, made to please people who don't get Soryu.

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Postby Otakon 08 Ikari » Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:35 pm

Sor - Must be the best at everything, must be! Has an ATF that blocks off Shinji till the very end!

Shi - Is much friendlier to Shinji.............Because this is all in his head and shes a nicer version of Asuka! Daaa Daaa Daaaaa!
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Postby Lucretius » Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:36 pm

I actually thought Shikinami was a somewhat more realistic take on the same character. Soryu's the girl that everyone likes despite her freakish personality Shikinami's as isolated as you'd expect someone with her attitude and outlook on life to be.

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Postby Otakon 08 Ikari » Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:57 pm

Lucretius wrote:I actually thought Shikinami was a somewhat more realistic take on the same character. Soryu's the girl that everyone likes despite her freakish personality Shikinami's as isolated as you'd expect someone with her attitude and outlook on life to be.


But she still makes him something to eat and by doing this she becomes less like our Asuka and more like a Girlfriend of Steel character.
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Postby Lagann » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:05 pm

Boredom wrote: but is generaly lovealbe

Really?
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Postby Joseph the PRPD » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:10 pm

Boredom wrote:Shikinami=Anti-social and an egotist with an eyepatch.


We only see the eye patch in the preview...
Shikinami seems just as sociable as Shoryu.
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Postby schismatics » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:19 pm

Joseph the PRPD wrote:Shikinami seems just as sociable as Shoryu.


Hmm...not really.

1) She kicks away guys in the classroom in favor of a video game.
2) Hikari tries to befriend her and kinda(?) fails.
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Postby Joseph the PRPD » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:25 pm

Ah right. I forgot about the part with Hikari. I don't really see much of a problem with her punching the guy though. I'd expect that from NGE Asuka as well.
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Postby Rodeo » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:49 pm

Neither are especially likable people, Sohryu was just better at putting up a facade at school. In the end she was only able to make one friend, making her just about as socially successful as Shikinami.

The alterations they made to Rei were far more blatant.
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Postby CyberXIII » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:59 pm

Rodeo wrote:
The alterations they made to Rei were far more blatant.


And those were?
"Crapsack worlds and anti heroes have their place. Sometimes, they are very necessary. But an endless diet of dreary cyberpunk and dark fantasy won't do us any more favors than an endless feast of glurge. I'd argue that the cynical nature of these really hurt our ability to hope and work for better. It gets us to accept the hopelessness and jaded outlook of things as 'That's the way it is. I can't change it,' and stops us from fighting when we NEED to fight."

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Postby Joseph the PRPD » Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:02 pm

You didn't notice Rei's changes?
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Postby CyberXIII » Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:19 pm

Joseph the PRPD wrote:You didn't notice Rei's changes?


She was a little more open then she was in the series, plus there was the bambi-eyes expression she had when Shinji gave her some food.

Still, it wasn't that jarring to me.

I mean, it isn't like they went and turned her into Yoko Littner...but I think the ShinjixRei vibe was a little too strong.
"Crapsack worlds and anti heroes have their place. Sometimes, they are very necessary. But an endless diet of dreary cyberpunk and dark fantasy won't do us any more favors than an endless feast of glurge. I'd argue that the cynical nature of these really hurt our ability to hope and work for better. It gets us to accept the hopelessness and jaded outlook of things as 'That's the way it is. I can't change it,' and stops us from fighting when we NEED to fight."

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