just a lil bit off topic but how long was kaworu with NERV?

konnor wrote:just a lil bit off topic but how long was kaworu with NERV?

It appears to be about 36 hours. (In the Anime, that is. In the Manga they introduce him the equivalent of 2 episodes earlier.)

thewayneiac wrote:

konnor wrote:just a lil bit off topic but how long was kaworu with NERV?

It appears to be about 36 hours. (In the Anime, that is. In the Manga they introduce him the equivalent of 2 episodes earlier.)

aha! death and rebirth tells this differently

in the start just before kaworu dies the screens sub says 18 months earlier, its the rehearsal.

Asuka, Rei, Shinji andkaworu enter explain that one!

konnor wrote:

thewayneiac wrote:

konnor wrote:just a lil bit off topic but how long was kaworu with NERV?

It appears to be about 36 hours. (In the Anime, that is. In the Manga they introduce him the equivalent of 2 episodes earlier.)

aha! death and rebirth tells this differently

in the start just before kaworu dies the screens sub says 18 months earlier, its the rehearsal.

Asuka, Rei, Shinji andkaworu enter explain that one!

There is no way to explain the unexplainable. The "rehearsal" scenes from Death are outside the Evangelion continuity. When Kaworu shows up in Ep. 24, Shinji has plainly never met him before (they have to introduce themselves). At this point Asuka is already in a coma, and was still in that state at the start of EOE; thus she never met Kaworu, much performed in a string quartet with him. Plus, the show's time-line takes place over less than a year, so Kaowru couldn't have been there 18 months earlier. The quartet scenes are just there to link the scenes from the series together, and perhaps their playing in harmony is supposed to be some sort of metaphor for instrumentality.

I think after much reading of this thread I have remembered somthing very important. Eva has plenty of flaws.

I think with out realizing it at the time I started a thread to examin one of the more flawed portions of the show. kaworu was ment to show up a lot ealier then he did but got pushed back to ep24.

Looking at the manga its clear that thier his intentions are clear. That kaworu is Seele's agent intent on betraying the other members of the cast. > and a kitty killer ;P <

In the anime we see his as stated before a total of 13 minutes one of which he's waiting for Shinji to crush him. Not enough time IMHO to figure out for sure whats going on in that pale head of his.

I think its time to say not enough data and jump ship.

thewayneiac wrote:There is no way to explain the unexplainable. The "rehearsal" scenes from Death are outside the Evangelion continuity.

Not to mention they are students living in Tokyo-2.

Plus, the show's time-line takes place over less than a year

One chronological clue Death provides: 9 months between Asuka's attempt to seduce Kaji (pre-episode #08) and Kaji and Misato finally making whoopie again (end of #20).

apparently that rehearsal scene was in another dimension
one of the possibilities that could have happened

meh maybe anno could use that excuse if he ever wnated to continue with eva

Reichu wrote:One chronological clue Death provides: 9 months between Asuka's attempt to seduce Kaji (pre-episode #08) and Kaji and Misato finally making whoopie again (end of #20).

I agree with MDWigs that one should simply disregard all the chronological cues given in Death; I don't think any of them make any sense...

Shin-seiki wrote:I agree with MDWigs that one should simply disregard all the chronological cues given in Death; I don't think any of them make any sense...

What's wrong with the 9-month figure? Aside from the rehearsal date, which cues don't make sense?

thewayneiac wrote:There is no way to explain the unexplainable. The "rehearsal" scenes from Death are outside the Evangelion continuity. When Kaworu shows up in Ep. 24, Shinji has plainly never met him before (they have to introduce themselves). At this point Asuka is already in a coma, and was still in that state at the start of EOE; thus she never met Kaworu, much performed in a string quartet with him. Plus, the show's time-line takes place over less than a year, so Kaowru couldn't have been there 18 months earlier. The quartet scenes are just there to link the scenes from the series together, and perhaps their playing in harmony is supposed to be some sort of metaphor for instrumentality.

I really don't know how anyone could mistake those 'quartet' scenes for anything other than just pure filler/metaphor - they are so obviously not events which have literally taken place that I'm quite shocked to see them brought up in a serious debate. I don't personally think that those scenes have any meaning whatsoever. I'm totally with you on this one, Wayne, and I'm stunned that not everyone seems to share this view.

Soluzar wrote:

thewayneiac wrote:There is no way to explain the unexplainable. The "rehearsal" scenes from Death are outside the Evangelion continuity. When Kaworu shows up in Ep. 24, Shinji has plainly never met him before (they have to introduce themselves). At this point Asuka is already in a coma, and was still in that state at the start of EOE; thus she never met Kaworu, much performed in a string quartet with him. Plus, the show's time-line takes place over less than a year, so Kaowru couldn't have been there 18 months earlier. The quartet scenes are just there to link the scenes from the series together, and perhaps their playing in harmony is supposed to be some sort of metaphor for instrumentality.

I really don't know how anyone could mistake those 'quartet' scenes for anything other than just pure filler/metaphor - they are so obviously not events which have literally taken place that I'm quite shocked to see them brought up in a serious debate. I don't personally think that those scenes have any meaning whatsoever. I'm totally with you on this one, Wayne, and I'm stunned that not everyone seems to share this view.

The commentary could be partly to blame. I seem to recall AWL claiming that it's possible to prove the quartet scenes actually happened.

Edit: Just watched the relevant part of the commentary, and it was actually T. Jaffe that made this ridiculous claim, not AWL.

thewayneiac wrote:
The commentary could be partly to blame. I seem to recall AWL claiming that it's possible to prove the quartet scenes actually happened.

Edit: Just watched the relevant part of the commentary, and it was actually T. Jaffe that made this ridiculous claim, not AWL.

I wonder how could Jaffe prove this?

Reichu wrote:

Shin-seiki wrote:I agree with MDWigs that one should simply disregard all the chronological cues given in Death; I don't think any of them make any sense...

What's wrong with the 9-month figure? Aside from the rehearsal date, which cues don't make sense?

Becuase it means that the end of episode 20 takes place sometime after February 2016 (9 months ish after episode 8), which we know it didn't (among other things in EoE we see its still 2015).

Sorry for stupidly long absense. I found myself a job and a girlfriend

MDWigs wrote:

Reichu wrote:

Shin-seiki wrote:I agree with MDWigs that one should simply disregard all the chronological cues given in Death; I don't think any of them make any sense...

What's wrong with the 9-month figure? Aside from the rehearsal date, which cues don't make sense?

Becuase it means that the end of episode 20 takes place sometime after February 2016 (9 months ish after episode 8 ), which we know it didn't (among other things in EoE we see its still 2015).

Hmm. That would do it.

I don't suppose it's too important to know the timeframe in most of NGE, so it's not like these inconsistencies spoil the show. I think it's quite possible to ignore them without losing out on anything much.

Sorry for stupidly long absense. I found myself a job and a girlfriend

Congratulations on both! I hope the job's something you're enjoying, and that you get some satisfaction out of. Does that mean that the absence is now coming to an end? ;)

I hope your girlfriend is something you're enjoying as well.

Soluzar:

I don't suppose it's too important to know the timeframe in most of NGE, so it's not like these inconsistencies spoil the show. I think it's quite possible to ignore them without losing out on anything much.

I agree. Gainax took a lot of liberties on things like this in order to expedite the narrative without getting bogged down in continuity details. They removed the seasons and most of the direct references to time because they didn't want to have to worry about them. They changed the size of the Evas to fit specific events and episodes. That being said, I still think much of the show is very carefully crafted, it is just that some issues were considered less than important compared to the main goal of telling the story.

Congratulations on both! I hope the job's something you're enjoying, and that you get some satisfaction out of. Does that mean that the absence is now coming to an end? Wink

Well I now have to start the long process of moving house. Uprooting myself from Nottingham and settling up in Liverpool. All this while waiting for my working visa to come through (I'm currently working on my student visa but that expires at the end of March). So I think it will be at least another month yet before I can refocus my attention back to Eva. There is so much I want to talk about and catch up on though that I am sure to be back.

Sectre01:

I hope your girlfriend is something you're enjoying as well.

Yeah she is. She makes me very happy.

Do tell if we've covered this before but i had another idea on this topic last night.

Was kaworu Naive ?

The way seemingly does not realize that killing him would hurt Shinji.

DatDude wrote:Do tell if we've covered this before but i had another idea on this topic last night.

Was kaworu Naive ?

The way seemingly does not realize that killing him would hurt Shinji.

Judging from his philoshophical quotes i don't think he is naive..i believe that Kaworu realised that Shinji was hurt by killing him but it was good for the rest of the world..
Afterall someone always must be hurted in order to gain something..