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Rei helped Shinji beat Kaworu

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Postby Iron Rooster » Wed May 28, 2008 8:27 pm

When the fight between Shinji and Kaworu, Shinji in Unit 01 couldn't even touch Kaworu b/c his AT Field was so damn strong. But toward the end, Rei shows up. I suspect, aside from stabbing Unit 02 in the face, Rei was the reason Shinji was able to grab and crush Kaworu into a nice medley of bones, flesh, and blood, since she busted out her AT Field.

Any proof of this being or not being true?

BTW, I did a search for this. I'm sure it was discussed already, but I can't find the thread.
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Postby Sachi » Wed May 28, 2008 8:29 pm

I'm sure this has been discussed to death. But I'd assume that (the now aware) Rei used her ATF to neutralize Kaworu's, allowing Unit-01 to kill him.
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Postby Zuggy » Wed May 28, 2008 8:43 pm

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Postby Iron Rooster » Wed May 28, 2008 8:46 pm

Hmmm . . . that is an interesting dilemma. Though, I think the shock of seeing Lilith surely didn't help Kaworu's AT Field.
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Postby Sachi » Wed May 28, 2008 8:58 pm

Iron Rooster wrote:Hmmm . . . that is an interesting dilemma. Though, I think the shock of seeing Lilith surely didn't help Kaworu's AT Field.

He didn't look shocked.

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Postby Iron Rooster » Wed May 28, 2008 9:58 pm

Supposedly he didn't know it wasn't Adam there, but I think SEELE told him about Lilith being there in the DC version.

Bet Rei was probably like "Kaworu's pretty annoying I think I'll help Shinji kill him." ^_^
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Postby Sachi » Wed May 28, 2008 10:18 pm

??: "And Adam, the progenitor of the Angels who are the true successors from the lost white moon."
??: "His salvaged soul exists only within you."
KEEL: "However, his resurrected body already exists within Ikari."

Kaworu knew exactly where Adam was.

Edit: More info in here: http://evageeks.org/FGP/Episode_24%27_Analysis
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Postby terminus » Wed May 28, 2008 10:33 pm

Sachi_13 wrote:I'm sure this has been discussed to death. But I'd assume that (the now aware) Rei used her ATF to neutralize Kaworu's, allowing Unit-01 to kill him.


hmmm...interesting. I would prefer this explanation, but I wonder why? maybe this will be further explained in Rebuild.

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Postby Mr. Tines » Thu May 29, 2008 1:09 am

Somebody had to be generating that second AT Field

Misato:
What's the situation?

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It's an AT Field!

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The same kind of AT Field that we saw earlier
has developed near the barrier around Terminal Dogma!

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It's entering the barrier!

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It can't be! Another Angel?!
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Postby sadsadshinji » Thu May 29, 2008 1:27 am

Was she trying to avert a NERV self-destruct? Misato was telling Hyuga that if they should lose signal, that he should activate the self-destruct mechanism, right?

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Postby TheAyanamiOtaku » Thu May 29, 2008 3:00 am

I have a feeling that Adam just gave up b/c she discovered what thos bad old men wanted from her, and she wasn't going to fall for it, so she choose the other option, death, to escape blowing Earth up...why?

I am inclined to agree with sadsadshinji...or Rei was just guarding Shinji...
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Postby Anonymous_Evafan » Thu May 29, 2008 11:12 am

I'm not sure how breaking the barrier helped Shinji win. Had Kaworu wanted to he could have ended it before Rei did that. Instead he sat there procrastinating waiting for something to happen. Almost seems like he wanted someone to make the choice for him.
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Postby Eva Yojimbo » Thu May 29, 2008 12:24 pm

Zuggy wrote:Always thought Kaworu gave himself up. His speech afterwards about wanting Shinji to kill him doesn't make sense (to me) if Rei had to neutralise his ATF in order for Shinji to do that.
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Postby AuraTwilight » Thu May 29, 2008 12:34 pm

Couldn't it have been both? I don't see why "Kaworu wanted to die" and "Rei ripped down the AT Field" have to be exclusive. Kaworu did seem to be interested in helping Rei come to terms with her true nature, and he seems pleased once he notices Rei and that she's starting to manifest her power.
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Postby sadsadshinji » Thu May 29, 2008 12:34 pm

Even so, his maintenance of his AT field meant that no one but Shinji knew that he was just sitting there. There was therefore the risk of someone self-destructing NERV

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Postby V » Thu May 29, 2008 12:43 pm

Ultimately, I think that Kaworu does "want Shinji to stop him"....but its sort of like a Salmon fighting the urge to swim upstream.

Kaworu feels compelled to return to Adam, but he's kind of debating it internally and only MAKES the choice to accept his death and die so that the humans can live, after Shinji beats Eva-02.

I mean all the way up to the point when he goes "wait....this isn't Ada--...Lilith?!", Kaworu was still overtly wrestling with what he was doing i.e. "should what came from Adam return to Adam...even though it would destroy Mankind?"

So I don't really see much of a continuity error or anything in "Kaworu's motivations": he himself was kind of debating what to do up until Eva-01 beats Eva-02.
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Postby Anonymous_Evafan » Thu May 29, 2008 12:47 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:Couldn't it have been both? I don't see why "Kaworu wanted to die" and "Rei ripped down the AT Field" have to be exclusive.

Can you really call it a victory if the other person throws the fight? Rei only had the chance to help Shinji because Kaworu wasn't making a move. He had won but he threw it at the last second.
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Postby FallenTabris » Thu May 29, 2008 4:26 pm

At the very least I think Rei descended to TD to help subdue Kaworu.. I really don't think she would have any reason to be there otherwise, although there is the theory that some message was transmitted in their glances.

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Postby Anonymous_Evafan » Thu May 29, 2008 6:32 pm

Too little too late. He was there at the prize and could have ended it all if he wanted to.
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Postby Reichu » Fri May 30, 2008 3:53 am

Sachi_13 wrote:I'm sure this has been discussed to death.

Yeah, in the epic episode #24 fanwank thread, I believe.


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