Reichu wrote:Hmm, yeah, I'm sure Toji would have had a fun time synchronzing with THAT...
And would leave the situation with Eva-00 even more confused (if that is indeed possible).
Originally posted on: 24-Dec-2004, 15:42 GMT
I think that was most likely a matter of something getting lost or confused in translation (i.e. EVA-00 vs EVA-03). The #25 script spells out unambiguously that Rei I was in Zerogouki (not to mention numerous visual hints and verbal insinuations to support that notion that crop up at various points throughout the series...)Mr. Tines wrote:And would leave the situation with Eva-00 even more confused (if that is indeed possible).
Mr. Tines wrote:And would leave the situation with Eva-00 even more confused (if that is indeed possible).
Soluzar wrote:::groan:: That reminds me - I was browsing Wikipedia yesterday, and I wondered if they had a NGE page, since they seem to include just about everything. They do indeed have a Neon Genesis Evangelion page, but they have included the Zerogouki/Naoki theory, as well as so much other misinformation. The 'Shogouki is a clone of Lileth' theory, for one. These erroneous theories still seem to have a lot of credibility 'out there'.
Brendan Brown wrote:Then edit it, that's how Wikipedia works.
Shin-seiki wrote:I think that was most likely a matter of something getting lost or confused in translation (i.e. EVA-00 vs EVA-03). The #25 script spells out unambiguously that Rei I was in Zerogouki (not to mention numerous visual hints and verbal insinuations to support that notion that crop up at various points throughout the series...)
> The 'Eva-00 has Rei I's soul' argument is
> incongruent with the outcome of
> the two failed synchronization tests.
I think this answer, and the identity of the soul in
Eva-00, isn't really the point of this issue. But
rahter the circumstances under which this answer was
revealed.
This explanation came from Kazuya Tsurumaki at Otakon
2001. Towards the end of the panel, they were asking
if there was any more questions and someone yelled in
the back "What soul is in Eva-00?!"
There was some confusion and chuckles, and the
translator asked "Are you talking about Evangelion?"
then turned to Tsurumaki and asked the question.
Tsurumaki asked the translator something, then paused.
He looked confused, then counted off Yui in Eva-01 and
Asuka's mum in Eva-02. Paused again, and then said
he supposed it was a clone of Rei, and might as well
have shrugged his shoulders. And in the end it was
kind of an awkward moment.
That's pretty much how it went, because the guy who
asked the question emailed me after the con to ask me
what I thought about the whole thing.
The big point here - is that Tsurumaki was confused by
the question and prattled off Rei off the top of his
head.
Meaning - there was never really anyone in mind for
Eva-00, imho. And the issue is moot and superfluous -
imho. The creators obviously didn't think it was an
issue, so why should we?
:-\
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That seems to be Brendan's take on a lot of Eva-related issues lately...And the issue is moot and superfluous -
imho. The creators obviously didn't think it was an
issue, so why should we?
Shin-seiki wrote:Brendan must not be following this forum very closely; that Rei 01's soul (or a reasonable facsimile thereof) ended up in Zerogouki is taken for granted as an obvious and uncontroversial fact by almost everyone here.That seems to be Brendan's take on a lot of Eva-related issues lately...
Soluzar wrote:It's a view espoused by a fairly large number of NGE fans, but to take this view is to ignore one of the fundamental concepts inherent in modern literary and cultural theory, which states that the intentions of the author/creator are unimportant. The 'text' is all that counts. If there is a valid and consistent interpretation which can be drawn out of the text, then it does not matter even if the author had the opposite intention.
Reichu wrote:Hmm... Sort of reminds me of when we read "A Doll House" in composition class. One would get the impression from the text that the author was 'rooting' for women's rights and feminist issues, when in reality he thought all women belonged in the kitchen.
Reichu wrote:EDIT: Although honestly, the whole idea of the 'work speaking louder than its creator' kind of creeps me out, in the event -I- should ever make something that gets reasonably talked-about. Usually, when looking at someone else's work, I think that the intention of the creator is primary to whatever 'other people think', or, at least, that's the way I would prefer my own work to be viewed... That the moment I declare something "finished", none of my own intentions or the feelings I put into the piece really matter anymore feels very uncomfortable to me.
Me :) wrote:The author is only important until the last full-stop hits the page. From that point onwards, they are no longer affecting the story. It's the way it's read, not the way it's written that is important.
Soluzar wrote:It's a view espoused by a fairly large number of NGE fans, but to take this view is to ignore one of the fundamental concepts inherent in modern literary and cultural theory, which states that the intentions of the author/creator are unimportant. The 'text' is all that counts. If there is a valid and consistent interpretation which can be drawn out of the text, then it does not matter even if the author had the opposite intention.
The point that I was trying to make is that if there can be found a theory, which takes into account all of the 'facts' which are contained within the narrative, and successfully identifies which soul would most likely have been contained within Zerogouki, then it is of no consequence whether or not Anno had intended to place that evidence within the story. The fact is that can be drawn out of the 'text' as it stands.
thewayneiac wrote:I hope this doesn't sound too harsh, but this is one of my pet peeves.
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