Holy crap... I neglect the forum for a couple of days, and look at what a giant mess this thread becomes. Here, let me straighten some things out...
1) How could you people forget about #24', where Keel says that Adam's soul exists *solely* in Kaworu? The embryo IS SOULLESS. However, we do know that Kaworu ends up in GNR, supporting the assertion that Adam's soul was recovered from Kaworu's head. :imagines Gendo and Fuyutsuki going out into the underground LCL lake in a row boat with a fishing net: REMEMBER, BISCUIT: In the NGE universe, unless the body is entirely destroyed upon death, it RETAINS THE SOUL. (Watch EoE again if you fail to grasp why this is.
) Rei 2's body had to be recovered to retrieve Lilith's soul. Kaworu's head had to be recovered to retrieve Adam's soul. BTW, Dr. Nick, I agree with you about the "forbidden merging" requiring both parts of both ingredients; Lilith as a host mother to one of Adam's bastard daughters wouldn't count.
2) AA, I still require to know why one line that can be interpreted multiple ways negates EVA-01's oft-stated connection to Adam. The Evas are derived from Adam; that's what makes them Evas. This is a fact that cannot be altered. The idea that Lilith was simply used as a host (regardless of whether you prescribe to my "perversion of natural birth" theory or not) to produce the 'Test Type' is hardly a stretch, as it reconciles all available data. If you don't like it -- well, I can only pray that it will grow on you.
3) Regarding Adam samples... Why does everyone assume that all samples must come from the embryo? In 2000 and earlier, they had an entire 50m+ of Adam to extract tissue samples from, which could have been shipped out of Antarctica before 2I and preserved for future use.
4) The embryo sample IS Adam. Misato even says in #26' that ADAM WAS REDUCED TO AN EMBRYO "to reduce further damage" (whatever that means). How the embryo is labeled makes little difference. Does it really matter if the bona fide Adam is called "Sample 01"? Tissue samples and cultured crap could then be labeled 02 and up.
5) Good catch, Niko. EVA-01 was going to be Gendo's "Ark" (Ohhhhh baby) in his version of HIP; she was certainly one of the pieces.
6) Probably, Bisu-chan, one of the "worms" Dr. Nick was referring to re: "soul multiplicity" (or whatever) is how Yui needed (as far as she was concerned) to be in EVA-01 and wouldn't come out. If she could be in two places at once, or just "copy/imprint/whatever" herself, that might have saved Gendo and Shinji from a bit of unnecessary misery.
7) No Adam souls in the harpies! Adam's soul resided ONLY IN KAWORU, AchtungAffen. We'll just have to accept that dummy plugs/systems make no sense, never will, random chicks are in the harpies (thus explaining why they killed themselves, to join the great soul orgy), and Kaworu's thought patterns can synch with them anyway.
I guess that's a start.
Originally posted on: 24-May-2005, 04:58 GMT